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Old 12-02-2008, 12:25 PM   #21
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50,000 is 17 years at 8 hours per day.



Most plasmas are rated for a HALF life of more than that.
You can do math, cool. 50,000 hr is the typical lifespan for Plasma, but it will start breaking down within 4-6 years regardless of usage.

For example, why you think cars like BMW doesn't offer 10 years / 50,000 miles warranty instead of 4 yrs/50K? Because they know **** will break down overtime with age. Its common sense.

I have 2 plasmas, one is almost brand new and one is used for about 2 1/2 yrs...I can clearly see the picture for the older one is getting worst every single day.
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You can do math, cool. 50,000 hr is the typical lifespan for Plasma, but it will start breaking down within 4-6 years regardless of usage.

For example, why you think cars like BMW doesn't offer 10 years / 50,000 miles warranty instead of 4 yrs/50K? Because they know **** will break down overtime with age. Its common sense.

I have 2 plasmas, one is almost brand new and one is used for about 2 1/2 yrs...I can clearly see the picture for the older one is getting worst every single day.
Just like cars, they need to be broken in properly. Not saying that you did anything wrong (I can't know), but I bet a properly maintained plasma can keep up it's quality fairly long.
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Old 12-02-2008, 12:34 PM   #23
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Just like cars, they need to be broken in properly. Not saying that you did anything wrong (I can't know), but I bet a properly maintained plasma can keep up it's quality fairly long.
what is involved in maintaining a plasma?
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Old 12-02-2008, 12:38 PM   #24
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From what my manual says, you should have brightness and contrast set to half or less for the first 50 hours of usage, and not have still or non-fullscreen images ("bars in picture") on it for too long. I generally try not leaving too bright or still images on the screen for too even after that time, just like HUD's from games.

I bet glockman can tell you more since he sells them
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Old 12-02-2008, 02:23 PM   #25
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You can do math, cool. 50,000 hr is the typical lifespan for Plasma, but it will start breaking down within 4-6 years regardless of usage.

For example, why you think cars like BMW doesn't offer 10 years / 50,000 miles warranty instead of 4 yrs/50K? Because they know **** will break down overtime with age. Its common sense.

I have 2 plasmas, one is almost brand new and one is used for about 2 1/2 yrs...I can clearly see the picture for the older one is getting worst every single day.

what? what? and what?

Breaking down after 4-6 years? My 3+ year old 50" panny looks better than many of my other friend's newer HD tv's - settings play a big part in it.

Your new Plasma looks better than your 2.5 year old plasma? Maybe perhaps technology is getting better every year, the new products look better than the old ones. Otherwise your plasma's aren't calibrated properly and/or they have different environmental light conditions

Your BMW example doesn't make too much sense. I guess I should vacuum seal all my stuff to prevent it from decomposing? Plasmas are not driven outside, put through high temperature/humidity variations, nor are they taking any abuse from potholes/etc. There's no fluids that break down in plasmas....oh wait. You do need to replace plasma gas every 2 years. Did you do this?

Finally, if you can sense the quality changes in a plasma day to day, i'm sure you can make tons of money in a profession utilizing that gift


not trying to be a , but bashing plasmas isn't going to help the OP make a decision.
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so whats the best out of these?

Sears
42" Vizio Plasma - 720p
$700

Costco
42" Vizio LCD - 1080p
$700

50" Vizio Plasma - *Display Model*
$800

IEI (local elec. store)
42" LG LCD - 720p
$700

Best Buy
42" Panasonic TH-42pz770 Plasma - 1080 OPEn BOX
$700

So which one would you get?
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so whats the best out of these?

Sears
42" Vizio Plasma - 720p
$700

Costco
42" Vizio LCD - 1080p
$700

50" Vizio Plasma - *Display Model*
$800

IEI (local elec. store)
42" LG LCD - 720p
$700

Best Buy
42" Panasonic TH-42pz770 Plasma - 1080 OPEn BOX
$700


So which one would you get?
I'd go with that one. I have the PZ70
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I'd go with that one. I have the PZ70
hmm not a 50" for just $100 more? I realize Panasonic is a better name but still
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hmm not a 50" for just $100 more? I realize Panasonic is a better name but still
I heard Panny's are the best bang for the buck quality wise. SO I guess if you go ever "cheaper", you will also notice it with the quality, especially with an added 8".
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You can do math, cool. 50,000 hr is the typical lifespan for Plasma, but it will start breaking down within 4-6 years regardless of usage.

For example, why you think cars like BMW doesn't offer 10 years / 50,000 miles warranty instead of 4 yrs/50K? Because they know **** will break down overtime with age. Its common sense.

I have 2 plasmas, one is almost brand new and one is used for about 2 1/2 yrs...I can clearly see the picture for the older one is getting worst every single day.

You must have bought your TV at wall mart.
i have two pioneer plasmas 50" and 60".

50" in 3 years old 60" is about 2 months old.

I put them side by side same dish network hi deff box. same everything they have the same brightness. Brightness does not necessarily make a good picture.

1) plasma gas burns out
2) they are sealed so well these days unless you buy a cheap one that they will not get deteriorate over 4 years
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You can do math, cool. 50,000 hr is the typical lifespan for Plasma, but it will start breaking down within 4-6 years regardless of usage.

For example, why you think cars like BMW doesn't offer 10 years / 50,000 miles warranty instead of 4 yrs/50K? Because they know **** will break down overtime with age. Its common sense.

I have 2 plasmas, one is almost brand new and one is used for about 2 1/2 yrs...I can clearly see the picture for the older one is getting worst every single day.
Not only can I do math, but I actually know what I am talking about.

AS I STATED - plasmas are rated at 50,000 or more as a HALF life. Do you know what a half life is? That means that is will be atleast half as bright as it was the day it was first turned on.

Let me simplify it more for you. In 17 years, it will be half as bright if you run it for 8 hours per day.

Perhaps you should spend a little more time learning about things and a little less time insulting people who know quite a bit more about the subject than you do.



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Manufacturer figures for longevity are closely guarded but I have added some here for your review:

Panasonic: States in new specifications that new plasma TVs and monitors are good to 60,000 to half life.

Sony:Now out of the plasma market. Does not list a figure for LCD lineup.

Samsung: Lists 60,000 hours for plasma lineup.

Pioneer: States 60,000 hours of use in their 2008 models.

Sharp LCD panels: States 60,000 hour life.

For consumer use these numbers should be comforting. Plasma Displays are now about equivalent in longevity to LCDs, which typically state 60,000 hours. Consider that these figures are a great amount more than old CRTs, which regularly post life span to half brightness at 25,000 hours. Let's put these hours in perspective. The average U.S. household watches 4 to 6 hours of television per day. Staggering. Taking a mean time manufacturer stated longevity of 50,000 hours of usage, times our average 5 hours per day, calculates to over 27 years of usage. Now, there are varying degrees of phosphor ignition along the way (the same way a CRT fades). Dissipation begins the moment you turn the set on. After 1000 hours of usage a plasma monitor should measure around 96% of its original brightness, which is barely noticeable to the naked eye. At 15,000 to 20,000 hours the monitor should measure around 80% brightness, or to state is technically, 80% of the original phosphors (gases) are being ignited.

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No offense glock but I really dont think half life is even an issue for most consumers.

How many people actually have a tv in their house from 10 years ago, none? How about 5 years ago? Very few.

Technology advances too fast for half life to be an issue in my opinion. It shouldn't be a selling point and I don't see how it can even factor in to which is better.

I understand it is a concern for a very few select amount of people who actually will keep their tv's that long, but just think, 5 years ago plasmas were about 8-10k for any of them. Think about where we will be technologically when those half lives start running out.
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I probably will keep my plasma for that time, but not as a main TV
AKA out of the living room, into the bedroom or office.
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No offense glock but I really dont think half life is even an issue for most consumers.

How many people actually have a tv in their house from 10 years ago, none? How about 5 years ago? Very few.

Technology advances too fast for half life to be an issue in my opinion. It shouldn't be a selling point and I don't see how it can even factor in to which is better.

I understand it is a concern for a very few select amount of people who actually will keep their tv's that long, but just think, 5 years ago plasmas were about 8-10k for any of them. Think about where we will be technologically when those half lives start running out.
I understand that. I was explaining correcting the guy who said they only last 4 years.
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Not only can I do math, but I actually know what I am talking about.

AS I STATED - plasmas are rated at 50,000 or more as a HALF life. Do you know what a half life is? That means that is will be atleast half as bright as it was the day it was first turned on.

Let me simplify it more for you. In 17 years, it will be half as bright if you run it for 8 hours per day.

Perhaps you should spend a little more time learning about things and a little less time insulting people who know quite a bit more about the subject than you do.



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If you really believe what you see or read on the internet rather than experience it yourself, then you fail.

No way Plasma will last 17 years with only half life...if you own one, you will know, now I bet you gonna start making stuff up anyway. Meaningless

Guess how long laptops are supposed to last on paper?

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If you really believe what you see or read on the internet rather than experience it yourself, then you fail.

No way Plasma will last 17 years with only half life...if you own one, you will know, I bet you gonna start making stuff anyway. Meaningless

Guess how long laptops are supposed to last on paper?
Expierence it myself? Let me know when you want to compare qualifications.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

I am not even going to waste more time with this.

Plasmas are phosphers. Phosphers last forever.

I don't own one. I own 3.

PS - I have been selling and installing them since they were invented.
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btw I went with a plasma and its siccccckkkkkkk....
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If you really believe what you see or read on the internet rather than experience it yourself, then you fail.

No way Plasma will last 17 years with only half life...if you own one, you will know, now I bet you gonna start making stuff up anyway. Meaningless

Guess how long laptops are supposed to last on paper?
Of ALLL the people on the forum to call out, this isn't the guy

You, sir, are the one who fails...
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