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Old 12-22-2008, 12:20 PM   #1
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hey guys. i have a e46 sedan and i am getting some black alcantara status seats for xmas and i might get some 4 or 5 point harnesses for them but i cant find someone that makes a bolt in harness bar.. or is there another way to mount them without removing the rear seats? its my daily driver/weekend warrior but i only get out a few times a year
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Check Sparco's harness bar. I know they mak E36 harness bars but im not sure about E46.

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Old 12-22-2008, 05:09 PM   #3
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ya ive seen those.. will those fit?
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Its best to email them.

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Old 12-23-2008, 02:14 PM   #5
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Check Sparco's harness bar. I know they mak E36 harness bars but im not sure about E46.

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When I first began doing track mods, I considered one of these bars. After many convos with Sparco reps, they said that they decided they were not going to make a harness bar for the E46 because there would be no easy way to install it, at least without modifying the B Pillar cover. The said that the reason is that, like the E36, they wanted it to be a direct bolt-on part. In order to even install it on the E46, you would have to remove the B Pillar cover, which in itself requires the rear lateral panel to be removed (which requires the rear seats to be removed)...then, you'd have to modify the Pillar cover so that the bar could bolt up. In the E36, the seat belt bolt was exposed already so you had somewhere to bolt up the bar from the get-go. Do you see where I'm going with this?

Ultimately, I just bought a full 4pt. roll bar from Kirk Racing because harnesses really shouldn't be used without full roll-over protection.
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Ultimately, I just bought a full 4pt. roll bar from Kirk Racing because harnesses really shouldn't be used without full roll-over protection.
Indeed. A harness should not be used without roll over protection. Looking to Auto Power or Kirk Racing.

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Old 12-23-2008, 11:52 PM   #7
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I think these are the easiest solution. http://www.soloracer.com/e46rallye4.html

There is also a Quickfit Pro version that uses a camlock instead of the buckle but it costs a little more.

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Old 12-24-2008, 09:02 PM   #8
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I think these are the easiest solution. http://www.soloracer.com/e46rallye4.html

There is also a Quickfit Pro version that uses a camlock instead of the buckle but it costs a little more.
That is what I use and I really like them. For someone like me who does 3 or 4 DEs a year, it is great. They absolutely hold me into the seat much better than the stock seatbelts but without needing a full rollbar/cage. Yes, I realize some people say you shouldn't use a harness without a bar/cage, but I think the additional security of the harness is worth it. I always offer my instructor the option of using the harness or the standard belts, and they always choose the harness. In 11 DEs (22 track days) I've seen one car that rolled, an E46 M3, and the roof on it was very intact afterwards, although the almost new car was probably totaled.
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Is it mandatory to have one for the instructor? I thought I read somewhere that both seats are supposed to be the same at BMWCCA HPDE's but I don't remember anything being specified for restraints. At around $250 a pop it would be nice if I could just get one.
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Yes they're supposed to have equal restraints.
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Old 12-25-2008, 01:53 PM   #11
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Yes, at most (if not all) BMWCCA track events you have to provide equal restraints for driver and instructor, so I have the harness available for the instructor. If the instructor prefers to not use the harness in a car without a full roll bar/cage, it takes about 2 minutes to remove it and I have still met the requirements since I offered the same restraints. Of the 5 DEs I've done with the harnesses, the instructors have always preferred using them, roll bar/cage or not.
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Old 12-26-2008, 06:38 PM   #12
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thanks guys. i think those will probably work for me..
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