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Old 12-25-2008, 06:37 PM   #1
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I've got respect for participants of the 24 Hours but...

Those who participate is rallyes such as the Dakar have got to be the strongest, most determined, and hardened individuals in motorsport. And since BMW Motorsport has had Dakar history beginning with motorbikes and is now furthering its presence with an increasing number of X5s and X3s achieving respectable finishes, I figured I'd post a couple of videos to show just how insane this niche of motorsport is. Of course, BMW motorbikes continue to have a strong presence in Dakar...

Oh, what it would be like to build and campaign a BMW in the Dakar...what a dream!

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I've personally driven across some of the "Dakar" area, and it isn't easy terrain to negotiate. The fatigue factor, even when going "slow", is incredible.

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I've personally driven across some of the "Dakar" area, and it isn't easy terrain to negotiate. The fatigue factor, even when going "slow", is incredible.

Nice post.
Adam, I'd really like to talk more about it with you...I know, for literal purposes, that if anyone, you would know what an event would be like. I am astonished that you have actually driven some of the Dakar passes...I would love to know if Dakar is in your plans within the next decade or so...because if so, I would love to discuss some of the logistics of the rallye (considering that the next decade certainly poses questions to me as far as participation is concerned) with you. I know you are busy with your Targa build (as I soon hope to be), but ultimately, I would love to see a fellow enthusiast preparing a car for such an ultimate challenge. I have sent you a PM...

I hope to speak soon...

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Those guys that run Dakar are some friggin' MEN, btw. But landmines are FTL.

If you're interested in this type of racing check out Dust To Glory, a really good documentary about the Baja 1000. It's a sprint compared to Dakar, but since it's at least in NA, it might be easier for you to start with than Dakar.

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Those guys that run Dakar are some friggin' MEN, btw. But landmines are FTL.

If you're interested in this type of racing check out Dust To Glory, a really good documentary about the Baja 1000. It's a sprint compared to Dakar, but since it's at least in NA, it might be easier for you to start with than Dakar.

http://www.d2gfilm.com/home/
You're thinkin' on my level (and nice post, too!)

Just as I plan on starting with Targa Newfoundland before considering the Carrera Panamericana, I plan on starting with the Baja as a stepping-stone to...well, who knows (I'm less experienced off-road so it's easier to look further into the future of my on-road aspirations). Regardless, Baja is an event I definitely want to participate in.

While, the likelihood of ever participating in the Dakar is slim to none, it's certainly something I would love to do (and something I will hopefully have the means to do some day $$$). But even then, it will probably be another 5-10 years before I can actually think about doing something like that - baby steps. Moreover, Dakar is not something I would ever attack with a truly competitive frame of mind because unless you are either 1) a Dakar veteran and 2) have the backing of a racing team (or can fund your own multimillion dollar campaign), one usually participates to FINISH...I would treat it as a form of accomplishment, self-discovery, adventure, and life-experience. I also don't plan on ever winning any of the other races, but it's reasonable to have a competitive mindset (even if it's not to win). I may be ambitious, but I'm not delusional (although I recognize some may argue the contrary)

For now, Targa and Baja are first and second on my list. Only after I gain the experience to complete them (that includes experiencing and being able to cope with the wrath or Murphy's Law) will I consider the Panamericana...and, one day, if I'm fortunate enough, maybe even Dakar. Gosh, what a DREAM.
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that one seiries is epic, as much as i like the idea of it as a 4x4, i'd like to see a chassis like that one tracked out in street-legal form.
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some sick videos. I cant even imagine my adrenaline level in that race, its got to be the experience of a lifetime. pei330ci, i envy you.
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If you're interested in this type of racing check out Dust To Glory, a really good documentary about the Baja 1000. It's a sprint compared to Dakar, but since it's at least in NA, it might be easier for you to start with than Dakar.

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Good Film.

I'm trying to put together a team for the Baja 1000 on a dirt bike.
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Good Film.

I'm trying to put together a team for the Baja 1000 on a dirt bike.
That's really somethin'. Cost of the bike aside, what would you estimate to be the cost of participation (excluding entry fees) and logistics?
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IF I was to look at doing the Dakar, I'd run a Toyota. They create a better product off the showroom floor for this type of terrain than anyone else.

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You're thinkin' on my level (and nice post, too!)

Just as I plan on starting with Targa Newfoundland before considering the Carrera Panamericana, I plan on starting with the Baja as a stepping-stone to...well, who knows (I'm less experienced off-road so it's easier to look further into the future of my on-road aspirations). Regardless, Baja is an event I definitely want to participate in.
This outfit has a pretty good reputation. I've never spoken to anyone who's done one of their rides, but my former boss knows the entire Baja scene pretty well (goes almost every year, ran the 500 on a bike twice) and he says they're a good group. Might be worth a non-competitive arrive & drive to see if you like it.

Off road is a different gig than any kind of on-road racing. It takes a special kind of crazy to get beat up, thrashed around, cooked, frozen and have sand, silt, grit and crap infused into every pore in your body and call it fun.

I hope this info helps and that you get your dreams assembled.
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IF I was to look at doing the Dakar, I'd run a Toyota. They create a better product off the showroom floor for this type of terrain than anyone else.

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IF I was to look at doing the Dakar, I'd run a Toyota. They create a better product off the showroom floor for this type of terrain than anyone else.

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Absolutely...both for the quality and for the money, it's nearly impossible to go wrong with a Toyota. My first car was a 4th Generation (1996) 4Runner and I swear up & down that the thing would have nearly survived a nuclear blast. Gosh, I miss my old 'yota. If you don't mind me asking...where abouts have you been driving through?

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This outfit has a pretty good reputation. I've never spoken to anyone who's done one of their rides, but my former boss knows the entire Baja scene pretty well (goes almost every year, ran the 500 on a bike twice) and he says they're a good group. Might be worth a non-competitive arrive & drive to see if you like it.

Off road is a different gig than any kind of on-road racing. It takes a special kind of crazy to get beat up, thrashed around, cooked, frozen and have sand, silt, grit and crap infused into every pore in your body and call it fun.

I hope this info helps and that you get your dreams assembled.
Nice link...it's 5 minutes 'til 6 am and I can't stop checkin' it out. I have a feeling this might seriously be my first off-road step
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Didn't you know, PEI has a HUGE desert?

Actually, I'm not in North America...
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