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Originally Posted by bioman

Is the Pistol Grip Mossberg 500 legal in CA?

Yes, the barrel has to be a certain length though. I do believe that is a federal rule though.

Originally Posted by AVRed1

My Mossie 500 reclining! Ha, I made a funny!!

How much was it to make your Mossberg into that? I like it.

Any links for the products?

Originally Posted by bioman

How much was it to make your Mossberg into that? I like it.

Any links for the products?

Mossberg 500 - 250
You can get a recoil reduction pistol grip stock for - 100.
Shot shell holder - 20
Flashlight mount - 20
Fenix Led Flashlight - 60

Roughly 450 dollars.

^So the barrel is stock? What brand is the pistol grip stock?

Originally Posted by bioman

^So the barrel is stock? What brand is the pistol grip stock?

No a barrel is not a stock. If you are confusing a barrel and a stock please do not purchase a firearm or any firearm parts.

Originally Posted by AVRed1

My Mossie 500 reclining! Ha, I made a funny!!

AHHHH i WANT!

Originally Posted by learthworml

No a barrel is not a stock. If you are confusing a barrel and a stock please do not purchase a firearm or any firearm parts.

lol. I meant is the barrel of the shotgun on AV1Red's pictures stock/oem? The flared tip looks like it could be aftermarket.

Originally Posted by bioman

lol. I meant is the barrel of the shotgun on AV1Red's pictures stock/oem? The flared tip looks like it could be aftermarket.

HAHA. Okay. Gotcha. i read it wrong.

Get a Vang Comp. Best tact. shotty i've ever owned

subscribed for later,
-Chris

My gun is mostly stock. it was a special run of Mossberg they made, I think they're out of production but still relatively easy to find. It has a fake adjustable carbon fiber stock and forearm. And the special "breacher barrel" makes it look real mean. Then I added a pentagon light with pressure switch and some kind of red dot scope.

I went to shot gun world tactical forum and asked for help. Now I'm ready to take on some zombies!

Here's the link:
http://www.impactguns.com/store/015813523639.html

And the forum link: some of those guns on there are insane!
http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=40059

HD necessities:

Pump Action Shotgun.
18-18.5" Barrel.
Extended Tube.
Practice. (most important)
Flashlight.

I'm 4 for 5. ,
-Chris

To be honest I have a mossberg 500 with shot shell holder and LED flashlight. I practice with it a decent amount and have the shot shell filled with 00 buck. However, if I had to pick up a weapon for self defense in my house, I would rather pick up my AR-15 with fragmentable rounds or my HK USP pistol. The recoil on a shotgun is pretty strong and it's hard to do a quick follow up shot. In addition, shotgun rounds spread and buckshot penetrates pretty well. If I'm shooting something in my house I want to make sure I hit what I shoot and nothing else. If I shot a shotgun down the hallway of my house, it is long enough that I would definitely hit some rooms also. Definitely practice with a shotgun. Many people think it is just point and shoot. WRONG! Shotguns are not magic wands.

Originally Posted by Clean_3

+1

Heres an old phone pic
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Where did you find one with the folding stock? Did you add it later?

+1 on the AR-15

Originally Posted by AVRed1

My gun is mostly stock. it was a special run of Mossberg they made, I think they're out of production but still relatively easy to find. It has a fake adjustable carbon fiber stock and forearm. And the special "breacher barrel" makes it look real mean. Then I added a pentagon light with pressure switch and some kind of red dot scope.

I went to shot gun world tactical forum and asked for help. Now I'm ready to take on some zombies!

Here's the link:
http://www.impactguns.com/store/015813523639.html

And the forum link: some of those guns on there are insane!
http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=40059

If that was semi auto


2 870 Remington shotguns (left and right ejecting) stuck together+baseball bat for pump=

http://www.cabelas.com/prod-1/0012785224733a.shtml

Originally Posted by learthworml

To be honest I have a mossberg 500 with shot shell holder and LED flashlight. I practice with it a decent amount and have the shot shell filled with 00 buck. However, if I had to pick up a weapon for self defense in my house, I would rather pick up my AR-15 with fragmentable rounds or my HK USP pistol. The recoil on a shotgun is pretty strong and it's hard to do a quick follow up shot. In addition, shotgun rounds spread and buckshot penetrates pretty well. If I'm shooting something in my house I want to make sure I hit what I shoot and nothing else. If I shot a shotgun down the hallway of my house, it is long enough that I would definitely hit some rooms also. Definitely practice with a shotgun. Many people think it is just point and shoot. WRONG! Shotguns are not magic wands.

.223 or 9mm or .45 in the USP will penetrate sheetrock and walls with ease. On the topic of follow up shots due to recoil with the 12g, a single, well placed 12g round will stop anyone in their tracks with minimal collateral damage. Not to mention, the sound of a pump action shotgun is intimidating enough to stop many confrontations without ever having to fire a shot.

1st Choice: A Shotgun:
Pros: Incredibly effective. Less risk of injury to neighbors due to over penetration of walls.
Cons: Harder to maneuver with in tight spaces due to larger size than handguns.
I would generally recommend a shotgun for home defense, because shotguns are (rightfully so) generally considered to be the most effective short ranged firearm. Rather than shooting a single bullet with each pull of the trigger as a rifle or handgun would do, shotguns shoot multiple pellets. These multiple pellets are more likely to stop an attacker but less likely to pass through the exterior walls of your home and injure your neighbors (note that I say *less* likely, as there is always a risk to bystanders). The recoil from firing a shotgun is heavier than a handgun, but this heavier recoil is more than worth the increase in effectiveness (although there is more to the effectiveness of a firearm than the kinetic energy of its projectiles, you can compare the 500 ft-lbs of energy from a .45 caliber bullet to the 2000+ ft-lbs from a shotgun firing 00 buckshot). For those who are new to guns and not accustomed to recoil, let me assure you that you will quickly get used to it after a few trips to your local range.
2nd Choice: a Handgun:
Pros: Easier to maneuver with in tight spaces do to its small size. Lower recoil than most shotguns and rifles.
Cons: Less effective than a shotgun or rifle.
A handgun, such as one from the Springfield XD line of pistols, would be my 2nd choice recommendation for home defense.
Handguns are generally less effective than shotguns or rifles, as their projectiles have less energy, but they do have the benefit of being easier to maneuver with in cramped quarters, such as smaller houses and apartments. Handgun bullets will generally penetrate exterior walls more than shotguns, but less than rifles, meaning that the hypothetical danger to your neighbors is lower than with a rifle but higher than with a shotgun. My recommendations for the proper pistol self defense calibers are here.
3rd Choice: a Rifle:
Pros: Generally much more effective than a handgun.
Cons: Rifle bullets have a tendency to over penetrate walls, increasing the danger to your neighbors.
A rifle would be my last choice for a home defense firearm, although it would certainly be preferable over throwing sticks and stones at a home invader.
Rifles are generally more effective than handguns, however rifle bullets are able to penetrate much further than the shot from a shotgun or the bullets from a handgun. This creates a much greater risk to your neighbors, without much benefit to you. Rifles are generally designed for longer range shooting (e.g. 100 yards, and much further +) so there is no appreciable benefit in rifle designed for long range shooting within your house, since if you are ever forced to shoot a home invader it will be at very close range. Indeed, shooting at someone who is 100 yards away is almost impossible to justify as self defense. Although rifles are great for many purposes, home defense is not usually one of them, since rifles possess the drawbacks of shotguns (heavier recoil, more physically bulky and difficult to maneuver with in close quarters) while having none of the advantages (such as less of a risk of over penetration).
When discussing the risk of overpenetration, I assumed that the shotgun ammunition being used was 00 buckshot from a 2.75" shotgun shell, that the handgun ammunition being used was somewhere between 9mm and .45 caliber, and that the rifle ammunition being used was somewhere between .243 and .30-06. Although the danger of over penetration may be lower with shotguns than with handguns or rifles, the projectile(s) from any gun can over penetrate and pose a danger to innocent bystanders. Even if you are forced to fire your gun in self defense or defense of your family, you should not endanger the lives of your neighbors or other innocent bystanders.

Originally Posted by learthworml

Cool.

If she every gets attacted from 50ft away in the middle of the field, she will know what to use.

Glock 19 FTW.

some sick shotguns :woo:

Originally Posted by TX330ci

.223 or 9mm or .45 in the USP will penetrate sheetrock and walls with ease. On the topic of follow up shots due to recoil with the 12g, a single, well placed 12g round will stop anyone in their tracks with minimal collateral damage. Not to mention, the sound of a pump action shotgun is intimidating enough to stop many confrontations without ever having to fire a shot.

1st Choice: A Shotgun:
Pros: Incredibly effective. Less risk of injury to neighbors due to over penetration of walls.
Cons: Harder to maneuver with in tight spaces due to larger size than handguns.
I would generally recommend a shotgun for home defense, because shotguns are (rightfully so) generally considered to be the most effective short ranged firearm. Rather than shooting a single bullet with each pull of the trigger as a rifle or handgun would do, shotguns shoot multiple pellets. These multiple pellets are more likely to stop an attacker but less likely to pass through the exterior walls of your home and injure your neighbors (note that I say *less* likely, as there is always a risk to bystanders). The recoil from firing a shotgun is heavier than a handgun, but this heavier recoil is more than worth the increase in effectiveness (although there is more to the effectiveness of a firearm than the kinetic energy of its projectiles, you can compare the 500 ft-lbs of energy from a .45 caliber bullet to the 2000+ ft-lbs from a shotgun firing 00 buckshot). For those who are new to guns and not accustomed to recoil, let me assure you that you will quickly get used to it after a few trips to your local range.
2nd Choice: a Handgun:
Pros: Easier to maneuver with in tight spaces do to its small size. Lower recoil than most shotguns and rifles.
Cons: Less effective than a shotgun or rifle.
A handgun, such as one from the Springfield XD line of pistols, would be my 2nd choice recommendation for home defense.
Handguns are generally less effective than shotguns or rifles, as their projectiles have less energy, but they do have the benefit of being easier to maneuver with in cramped quarters, such as smaller houses and apartments. Handgun bullets will generally penetrate exterior walls more than shotguns, but less than rifles, meaning that the hypothetical danger to your neighbors is lower than with a rifle but higher than with a shotgun. My recommendations for the proper pistol self defense calibers are here.
3rd Choice: a Rifle:
Pros: Generally much more effective than a handgun.
Cons: Rifle bullets have a tendency to over penetrate walls, increasing the danger to your neighbors.
A rifle would be my last choice for a home defense firearm, although it would certainly be preferable over throwing sticks and stones at a home invader.
Rifles are generally more effective than handguns, however rifle bullets are able to penetrate much further than the shot from a shotgun or the bullets from a handgun. This creates a much greater risk to your neighbors, without much benefit to you. Rifles are generally designed for longer range shooting (e.g. 100 yards, and much further +) so there is no appreciable benefit in rifle designed for long range shooting within your house, since if you are ever forced to shoot a home invader it will be at very close range. Indeed, shooting at someone who is 100 yards away is almost impossible to justify as self defense. Although rifles are great for many purposes, home defense is not usually one of them, since rifles possess the drawbacks of shotguns (heavier recoil, more physically bulky and difficult to maneuver with in close quarters) while having none of the advantages (such as less of a risk of over penetration).
When discussing the risk of overpenetration, I assumed that the shotgun ammunition being used was 00 buckshot from a 2.75" shotgun shell, that the handgun ammunition being used was somewhere between 9mm and .45 caliber, and that the rifle ammunition being used was somewhere between .243 and .30-06. Although the danger of over penetration may be lower with shotguns than with handguns or rifles, the projectile(s) from any gun can over penetrate and pose a danger to innocent bystanders. Even if you are forced to fire your gun in self defense or defense of your family, you should not endanger the lives of your neighbors or other innocent bystanders.

1. Overpenetration is falsely assumed. A .223 fagmentable round that many Police forces use will not penetrate as much as 00' Buck shot. The .223 travels at a very high velocity. Mated with a fragmentable round it will shatter upon impact of a body or a wall. 00 Buck shot will go right through the wall as it is not meant to fragment, it is meant to go through the thick skin and bones of a Buck. Bird shot is not suffice for home defense.

2. Sound intimidation factor. I doubt that it will scare many off. Cycling and AR also produced an "intimidating" sound if you think that helps. lol I don't want a bad guy to be scared. I want to take him out.

3. Miss fires and hurting neighbors or family. You are more likely to harm a neighbor or family member from a few of the pellets of 00 buck. An AR-15 is highly accurate and unless you are a really bad shot, it is hard to miss something at close range. The video I posted shows this. When you shoot a shotgun shell not all of the pellets are going to hit center of mass.

4. Multiple intruders. If you hear a noise and go down stairs with your shotgun and find 3 armed men. You are SOL. Let's say you take one or two out, by the time you rack for the third one you would have a few rounds in you. With an AR-15 and some training you could take out all 3 in a matter of seconds. You ever try lateral walking while plinking plates with an AR or even standing still and hitting a few plates a couple yards apart? You can double tape 3 plates within seconds. Try doing that with 00" shotgun. Even with practice a shotgun is going to have some recoil and it takes time to readjust your sights and pump it. Go out and setup some targets and try it out for yourself. I hate hearing all these Mr. Macho guys say that 12 gauges have no recoil if you practice. Try setting up 3 targets within a few yards of eachother and then take them out under 5 seconds.

5. Loading speed. If I heard someone coming up my stairs, it would only take a couple seconds to load a mag in my AR. How long would it take for you to load a 2-3 shells in a shotgun and then rack it?

6. Accuracy and distance, same as 3 almost. As stated earlier, not all of the shotgun pellets will hit COM. The AR is deadly accurate under 100m. Example, the intruder is at the end of a long hallway in your house, let's say 25 feet. The shotgun pellet spread might take out your child along with the intruder down the hall, while the .223 will fragment and stay in the in the bad guys chest.

7. Real life use. Shotguns are mainly used to breach doors, because they take out large chunks of the door. Would you really want to shoot something like that around your children? Swat teams and Special Forces use M4's. You don't see them clearing homes/rooms with shotguns. Why? Shotguns aren't as accurate and cause a lot of collateral damage.


I keep my handgun in my nightstand in condition 1, but if I had time to get to my AR, I would get to it. I'd much rather aim down my hall and be sure I'm hitting the intruder then praying I don't take out a family member with pellet spread.

One more time. The distance of a normal hallway in a big home, which most of us have(owning BMW's).


Which would you rather fire in your house with love ones all around? I'd pick the most accurate one. If a girl with no training can hit 7/9 center of mass and 9/9 hit the target with the AR. Imagine someone with training.

Not saying the shotgun is a bad gun. I own a Mossberg 500 and would use it if I knew there was only one intruder and he was coming up the stairs and I was at the top. Other than that give me my AR and HK USP.

Originally Posted by glockman9c

Cool.

If she every gets attacted from 50ft away in the middle of the field, she will know what to use.

Glock 19 FTW.

Glockman you are awesome. No matter what gun topics come up you always figure out a way to incorporate Glocks . I'd still take the AR at 50 ft though.