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Old 02-27-2012, 02:31 AM   #165941
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okay, i guess we are really going to do this. i was ready to agree to disagree, but okay, here goes...




Soo you are saying if i were to do m3 bumpers all around it'd be more OEM+? how is that different than putting "zhp bumpers" on? they are both off of an e46 chassis car.


It's not about modding different chassis, it's about distinction in levels. Non-m puts on M parts... that is OEM+.... M3 normal puts on CSL parts or GTR parts... OEM+.... but non-m parts on non-m's... its not OEM plus.. that is just oem modding. In our case we are separated in non-m's and ///M's then the CSL/GTR way up top.


also so for example, look at the porsche, as it is considered OEM+ in your article you posted. look at the exterior parts... they are "*Porsche OEM GT3 Cup front splitter, GT3 RS spoiler extension, GT3 upper air grille, GT3 Gurney flap (rear wing lip), clear side marker set, Porsche gold crest emblem, 997 GT3 and GT3 RS grille screens"

oem parts from another trim 997? yeup

Again above....the Carrera S and GT3 are totally not in the same level.


same thing with the audi, "GMG carbon hood, Black Optic grille, Carbon front lower splitter insert, carbon rear diffuser insert." the hood is painted, you can't tell it's aftermarket, it's just a stock hood in cf that is painted. after that you have those misc parts, okay 3 other parts, hardly anything.

then you say the benz? okay, i'll give ya that it is modded, but 2/3 three cars have oem exteriors, or close to them.

ahh so you say it isn't just about the exterior? it's about the suspension and pwer mods? okay we'll i have that too, intake/header(thanks for selling those to me btw), and a partial exhaust, oh and sways, coils and poly bushings 'round.

Yeah that is good... but as your car is it doesn't look the OEM+ part. It looks stock... which makes it a "sleeper" right?


lol, yeah, but this OEM+ which we both can agree on is subtle, which ambers are. the goal is not to look modded to a normal person right?

The goal is to make your car look like a better version/model of the original (in our case non-m). Clears are OEM... but weren't available in the US since they were "euro"... which is in line with teh OEM+ mantra. When people see ambers they think lower model/older 3 series, since the updated e46's came with clears.


As far as wheels, yeah they are stock, but in the rear i am running the same width of rubber that you are (255). Albiet the fronts are only 235 (i +sized 10mm when i got new tires f/r) but it is taking the stock wheels and making them perform better than stock.

I'm not saying there is anything wrong with your wheels performance wise... m68's are great and super light, and I have not said anything about my car this whole time. So I don't know why you are bringing that into the picture. It's more that your wheels look stock for a sport pack 3 series... they don't make it look like a better or more hardcore model of the 3 series which what oem+ tries to achieve.

the link again, kinda dies out with teh counter arguements i already said above.

I also agree with Raf since the cars didnt' come with them, they are OEM+


My closing statement is that yeah, my car "looks" stock, but it isn't. I really do consider it OEM+. taking the best of OEM parts, even if they are from another model e46, they didn't come with my car stock.


p/s i hope you guys don't take this conversation in a bad way. I was bored last night and i thought it'd be fun to have a discussion with you guys, but in the end my car is OEM+ in my big brown eyes. kthanxbye!

p/s/s i welcome counter arguments.

It's fine you can consider your car to be whatever you want. I just wanted to give you my definition and I guess a widely accepted definition of what OEM+ is in the car scene.

It's just like those people who post in the "Aggressive Wheel Thread" thinking they have aggressive wheels only to get hassled, because it isn't in line with the accepted definition or expectation of what aggressive wheels are. To them it's still aggressive and no one can tell them otherwise, and that's totally fine.
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It's fine you can consider your car to be whatever you want. I just wanted to give you my definition and I guess a widely accepted definition of what OEM+ is in the car scene.

It's just like those people who post in the "Aggressive Wheel Thread" thinking they have aggressive wheels only to get hassled, because it isn't in line with the accepted definition or expectation of what aggressive wheels are. To them it's still aggressive and no one can tell them otherwise, and that's totally fine.
I think i posted in that thread one time and was laughed at because my rims didn't stick out several inches from the body, i was not running a stretch tire and didn't have -15 degrees of camber....
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i'm too tired to reply now. i'll get to it later. i have a midterm i need to study for and i'm not even studying for that. so i'm not gonna take time to reply to this.... just yet.
I think we can all agree that your car looks clean. I like it. And I don't really care whether it's OEM+ or what not. But I did like reading all the counter points.
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stretch and poke belongs in lowrider magazine, that's it.
I'm not going to lie, I really don't like the craze. Some of the SGC members have done a really good job pulling it off....

but in that thread...... don't tell me that a tucked 19x9.5 ET 33 with a 265 tire on a sedan is not aggressive and that I don't belong....
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but in that thread...... don't tell me that a tucked 19x9.5 ET 33 with a 265 tire on a sedan is not aggressive and that I don't belong....
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No, just trying to break the silence.
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and BTW, the M clubsport package was offered for 325s and 330s, which includes everything on the ZHP visually and added the splitters and a rear spoiler (as well as reduced weight). so yes, ZHP bumpers were offered on those cars. you just weren't able to get them because you lived in the US unless you got a ZHP.
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but if i was to take it a step further, it doesn't even matter what you think OEM+ is. it's already defined as a style long before we were born, and mines and brian's definition of it coincides with the style to a T (from what i've read) lol. i never looked up what the word meant until yesterday night when i gave you that link. there's tons of links on it, i just picked the one with pictures lol
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It's fine you can consider your car to be whatever you want. I just wanted to give you my definition and I guess a widely accepted definition of what OEM+ is in the car scene.

It's just like those people who post in the "Aggressive Wheel Thread" thinking they have aggressive wheels only to get hassled, because it isn't in line with the accepted definition or expectation of what aggressive wheels are. To them it's still aggressive and no one can tell them otherwise, and that's totally fine.
okay, soo here goes while i have a few minutes before work.

as far as teh performance thing... okay i thought you guys were considering it since Brian quoted that part of the article where it said performance, but if you aren't then okay. w/e, forget all teh performance stuff

Brian I was comparing my car to yours as I think your car is OEM+. But do you even consider your car OEM+? if you don't then my counter argument to this counter will be pointless. lol.

I used the tire comparison to show that I plus sized my tires on the m68s... therefore "plusing" them and since they are oem; OEM+ making the OEM stuff work that much more efficient.


I guess what it comes down to is what your guys' distinction between different models are?
is it the motor? because you don't see the motor, & that is why my performance mods are negated. right? Is it interior? because again, not something you see from the outside.

What i'm trying to get to is how are m3 exterior parts different from ZHP exterior parts? Neither of them came on MY 2001 330ci...

Hieu, you talk about Euro parts? Doesn't that article talk about euro parts on us models, and how that is considered OEM+?


Basically what it comes down to, and what I am asking you to reply to if you choose to is, what do you consider a change in model? keep in mind we already negated motor/suspension mods(right?)

For instance Brian said that Carrera 4s or w/e it was is different from the GT3-RS. What makes it different since we are just talking about exterior?

Let me give you an example, when you see a preface lift coupe with an mt2 bumper, do you ask yourself "how did that mt2 bumper that you dont' see on prefacelift coupes stock get onto that prefacelift coupe?"

When i ask myself that, I think that is OEM+.

I'd understand more of what you guys are saying if my car was a facelifted coupe, then my car would yes, look like a ZHP clone. But it's a prefacelift coupe.

Again, i'm not trying to stir the pot, i'm just bringing up points and what not. It's just me being bored. I hope not to offend anyone.



oh just a quick edit that came to mind. Brian you talk about m3s putting on csl or gtr parts and that making it OEM+ aren't csls and gtrs still m3s? what is the difference between my car and a zhp?
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