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Old 03-03-2009, 09:51 AM   #1
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Will I lose my high beams when I get Xenon's?

I got a halogen setup and want to get Xenon's.

I am confused about losing the high beams thought. I do a lot of night time highway driving so I need these.

My question is

If I get a Bi-Xenon then I will lose high beams for sure correct?

If I get a non bi-xenon then high beams will still work?

For both mod methods LCM flash and capacitor mod?
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Old 03-03-2009, 10:03 AM   #2
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If we are talking about after market, any xenon kit with resistors will allow you to keep your inner halogen high beams. If you flash to bi-xenon, you would need a bi-xenon kit or an OEM setup. Then your hi-beams will work, but they will instead readjust the xenons to allow more light output instead of just turning on the halogen hi-beams.
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Old 03-03-2009, 10:44 AM   #3
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If we are talking about after market, any xenon kit with resistors will allow you to keep your inner halogen high beams. If you flash to bi-xenon, you would need a bi-xenon kit or an OEM setup. Then your hi-beams will work, but they will instead readjust the xenons to allow more light output instead of just turning on the halogen hi-beams.
Where can you buy this bi-xenon kit? From the dealer?
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Old 03-03-2009, 11:39 AM   #4
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Where can you buy this bi-xenon kit? From the dealer?
Even people selling their old OEM Xenon setups on this forum sell them for around $800. An OEM Xenon setup from the dealership would be $1000+. Most people choose to go aftermarket. You can get aftermarket bi-xenons, but I don't see the point.
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Old 03-03-2009, 12:21 PM   #5
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Even people selling their old OEM Xenon setups on this forum sell them for around $800. An OEM Xenon setup from the dealership would be $1000+. Most people choose to go aftermarket. You can get aftermarket bi-xenons, but I don't see the point.
I want to buy the OEM bi-xenon headlight off classifieds or eBay. However I need to know how to get it it work properly.
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I drive an '05 M3 with the Xenon headlight option. I recently moved to a rural area where the use of the Hi-beams is a more frequent necessity. While using the high beams to search for a lost cat on my property I noticed that the high beam was part of a dual beam headlight and not the separate unit inside the headlight cover. I was surprised to see this as I was told when purchasing the car the Xenons were much better illumination due to the different bulbs and wattage. I checked the Bentley Manual and it clearly indicates two separate headlight units and gives part numbers for the bulbs..Can anyone explain why this is so? The high beams in my E30 325 are better illumination than the current setup in my car. Would it be possible to use the separate high beams and how could I go about changing the setup. Thanks for any insight.
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That controls how your bixenon - 'lock out' - feature works for when you push the headlight stalk out away from you. This causes the HID bulb to send more light "UP" through the projection lenses.

If you pull towards you, it's turning on your inner kidney lights, like this:


There are 3 ways to increase light output:
1) get a 50W Xenon kit - we offer them in the Projector46s, but they can be retrofitted into your existing setup, the problem there is you lose the nifty feature of the bixenon, but you get 33% more light output
2) You can get a xenon fog kit - easy to upgrade - contact us for vendors that sell those - info@umnitza.com
3) Get Xenons for your high beams - highly inadvisable (though the photo above of the M5 shoes HID highs) it's not a good idea they take too long to warm up.

That's quoted for another customer obviously, but:
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If you have an 02, you'll have to get a new LCM most likely and then reprogram the car for bixenon on top of getting new bixenon headlights. Often the headache and expense isn't worth it.

If you are interested, we offer a Projector46 option that is plug and play with minimal headaches.
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If you purchase a bixenon headlight, you can get the functionality to work but you need to do some wiring and enable the feature on the car's computer. If you install xenons without doing the wiring, you will lose the high beam functionality unless you flash to pass.
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What does the capacitor mod do? I heard its takes care of the flicker problem and error light. Is that true?
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Capacitors can be used instead of a reflash on the car to prevent flickering and the bulb out warning. This gets around the flash by increasing the resistance on the circuit so it is the same 55w as your current halogen setup. The reason the xenons flicker and cause a bulb out warning is that they operate at 35w which is lower than what a halogen coded car is looking for so it trips a bulb out.
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With the capacitor mod what happens to the high beams?
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With the capacitor mod what happens to the high beams?
Nothing the idea is that it allows you to install you lowbeam xenons and get rid of the bulb out message while it doesn't do anything to the highbeams (assuming you haven't gotten your car flashed already). I would recommend OEM if you can afford it since I have had such a headache with aftermarket and getting my highbeam inner beams to work again (since I was a moron and decided to get it flashed for bi-xenon without a bi-xenon shutter motor).
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With the capacitor mod what happens to the high beams?
Yep, your high beams function as they do now with the capacitors.
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Yep, your high beams function as they do now with the capacitors.
I noticed on your website that you sell the P46 headlights. So for a facelifted sedan its around $340 USD. Does this include both the head lights?

If so why are they much much cheaper than the used bi-xenon OEM headlights?
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I noticed on your website that you sell the P46 headlights. So for a facelifted sedan its around $340 USD. Does this include both the head lights?

If so why are they much much cheaper than the used bi-xenon OEM headlights?
Because they dont have the bi-xenon function or the autoleveling motors.
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There are a lot of factors.

The headlights are all also made in Taiwan, so the prices at the wholesale is lower.
Our headlights with Orion V2 and no HID start as low as $400 shipped, with Xenon error canceling it goes to $450-475.
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I noticed on your website that you sell the P46 headlights. So for a facelifted sedan its around $340 USD. Does this include both the head lights?

If so why are they much much cheaper than the used bi-xenon OEM headlights?
Our pricing does include a pair. OEM units will inherently be much more expensive but IMO it doesn't justify the increase in price given that the DEPOs offer the same quality and functionality.
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If I buy the aftermarket headlight can the ballasts be replaced with OEM ballasts? The reason I ask is because there seems to be alot of problems with the aftermarket ballasts as in burning out or starting fires.
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No, if you have factory ballasts, they will not always fit.

It really depends on the unit you purchase. If you get D2S based Projector46s (we usually don't have them but can special order them for you), then you would have not issues.

The aftermarket ballasts you are referring to are angel eyes ballasts, ironically, for HID ballasts, OEM connectors from OEM ballasts have been known to cause fires as well.
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Hi. I bought a set of facelift original BMW Bi-Xenons (I can see the spring loaded shutter mask and activate it with my finger when disassembled).

I have yet to install them on my 03 Touring. Sorry for the dumb question but I am still unclear as to how I install them AND get Xenon hi-beam use?

Someone else on here mentioned some wiring and extra parts etc but this thread seems to suggest a re-flash for Bi-Xenon is all that's required?
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You will need to have the LCM reflashed for the bixenon application and integrate the wiring for the Bixenon motor on the vehicle as well. Search for bixenon retrofit as it has been covered.
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