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Old 03-04-2009, 12:00 AM   #1
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OK new game gun guys! Build my AR!

Hey gents-

I'm looking to pick up an AR soon so I need someone with knowledge to help me customize it.

I want to make an M4 clone (same barrel length, same spin ratio (i think thats what it is) 1:7?, etc. I also want a gas piston action.

I really don't care what brands are used, but I've heard good things about Rock River and I really don't think you could go wrong with Colt...

Optics will be decided later but I could certainly use some advice on sights.

Show me what you've got! Price is of no concern at the moment so don't let that restrict you.
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Old 03-04-2009, 12:13 AM   #2
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LWRC m6a2 upper for gas piston - What you want.

Best gas piston upper if you ask me. LMT a close second, but the front block is ugly.

Aimpoint, Eotech or Acog Trijicon for optics
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Old 03-04-2009, 12:15 AM   #3
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Old 03-04-2009, 12:23 AM   #4
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I've got both of my AR's sitting on Double star Lowers, one was a complete lower, the other had a parts kit (RRA).

Both are 1:7 twist, one is a midlength CMMG 16" and the other is a BCM m4 profile. In terms of optics, Aimpoint >> Eotech. Trijicon Acogs are nice....but extremely pricey.

Sorry, no pics...I'm not keen of my gun pictures floating around the interwebz.
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No sweat about the pictures thing I totally understand

What's the standard barrel length of an m4?
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No sweat about the pictures thing I totally understand

What's the standard barrel length of an m4?
14.5" + 1.5" flash suppressor. It has to be 16" to no be considered SBR.

Get a Sun Devil lower....so pimp

http://www.sundevilmfg.com/products.php
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Old 03-04-2009, 11:36 AM   #7
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14.5" + 1.5" flash suppressor. It has to be 16" to no be considered SBR.

Get a Sun Devil lower....so pimp

http://www.sundevilmfg.com/products.php
So is the flash supressor considered in the length under the law or would I have to get a 16 in barrel? I guess you could get a tax stamp for an she couldn't you?
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So is the flash supressor considered in the length under the law or would I have to get a 16 in barrel? I guess you could get a tax stamp for an she couldn't you?
Since the suppressor on M4 variants are fixed, it is legally considered a 16" barrel. No tax stamps required.
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Since the suppressor on M4 variants are fixed, it is legally considered a 16" barrel. No tax stamps required.
Ok cool. Where would I buy one like that? Is there a specific brand that I should look at that has the 1:7, etc?
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Any major manufaturer will sell them - anything from just barrels to complete uppers. You might also try gunbroker.com, although I don't know what prices are like right now. Rock river has a substantial backlog for complete rifles, but (from what I hear) not a whole lot of waiting on parts. Without knowing your budget it is hard to give a recommendation - look through the other AR threads around here for the brands to stick with.
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Any major manufaturer will sell them - anything from just barrels to complete uppers. You might also try gunbroker.com, although I don't know what prices are like right now. Rock river has a substantial backlog for complete rifles, but (from what I hear) not a whole lot of waiting on parts. Without knowing your budget it is hard to give a recommendation - look through the other AR threads around here for the brands to stick with.
Ok. So what other parts do I need other than a lower, upper, stock, and sights (assuming the upper is complete)?
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Assuming you get a complete lower, you're in business. Ammo and mags!
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I'm looking at the stag arms too. lefty version. Ive been reading and its seems like its spilt 50/50 with the lefties shooting right handed ar's and left handed ar's.
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Forgot to leave you a link David....it goes over what is/are important features on an AR.

http://forums.officer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=81462

Great info!
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My advice is get whatever you can before its too late.
if you want good, get a custom by white oak or compass lake, get a krieger barrel, tell them you want it 1:7. I have 2 lowers, a spike and a RRA and both are good. For a stock, I like magpuls carbine stock. Optics go with eotech, trijicon, or aimpoint. I have a CAA monopod with taclight slot.
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you're asking for two different things...if you want a gas piston, wait for the civvy version of the 416. LWRC is nice, but expensive. If you want an M4 that's quality, go CMMG (www.cmmginc.com) for the upper and any lower will work with a quality LPK. I have a Sabre Defense lower with a RRA LPK, Vltor stock. With CMMG they're backed up but you can customize pretty much everything about the upper...handguard, barrel, sights, EVERYTHING...best M4 clone I have owned.
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Thanks for the replies guys...I've learned a ton!

I've read alot of good stuff about the hk416, but we probably aren't going to see it in the US for a loooonng time.

I think I may buy a complete ar and forget building it. I think I might grab a Colt M4A3 6920...it's di, not gp but there's always a conversion...anyone have experience with one of these?
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you're asking for two different things...if you want a gas piston, wait for the civvy version of the 416. LWRC is nice, but expensive. If you want an M4 that's quality, go CMMG (www.cmmginc.com) for the upper and any lower will work with a quality LPK. I have a Sabre Defense lower with a RRA LPK, Vltor stock. With CMMG they're backed up but you can customize pretty much everything about the upper...handguard, barrel, sights, EVERYTHING...best M4 clone I have owned.
Civilian 416 is going to be 4k. Twice the price of the LWRC. The civilian 416 is also going to have proprietary parts that will not allow it to be used on AR platform lowers like the 416.
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Thanks for the replies guys...I've learned a ton!

I've read alot of good stuff about the hk416, but we probably aren't going to see it in the US for a loooonng time.

I think I may buy a complete ar and forget building it. I think I might grab a Colt M4A3 6920...it's di, not gp but there's always a conversion...anyone have experience with one of these?
Colt is one of the top AR manufacturers. Can't go wrong with the 6920. They are pricey right now though. I prefer low profile monilithic uppers though. Check out Noveske Rifles.
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