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Old 08-09-2013, 12:09 PM   #81
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Poor mans temp check is if you cannot keep your palm on the pan, then the trans is too hot.

Believe it or not the temp for the fluid check is really based upon not burning someones hand when checking the fluid.

In the old days with a dipstick and tube for the trans, there was no real burn concern. Auto trans fluids run right near the engine coolant temps so they get HOT.

Once the when to bottom fill, you cannot check the temp as hot as you will likely burn someone. So most trans temps are checked around 100-120F.
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Old 08-09-2013, 12:10 PM   #82
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Re: ATF Change.....

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No problem. Sometimes the fluid just needs to be circulated fully, but double checking will give you peace of mind. How many miles on it when you did the change?
150,000 when I did the change. The upshift holds RPM SO much better now. And idle is butter

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Old 08-09-2013, 12:16 PM   #83
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My ECS kit came with new plugs. 150 for everything. Well worth it

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Thanks but that doesn't answer my question. Do the plugs require a crush washer or not? I don't recall seeing anything about a crush washer in the DIYs, but I don't want to get out there with my a$$ under the jacked up car and the bolts opened and then find out that I need some special sealing washer on the fill or drain bolt that I don't have and I need to scramble to get it.......
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Old 08-09-2013, 12:34 PM   #84
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Thanks but that doesn't answer my question. Do the plugs require a crush washer or not? I don't recall seeing anything about a crush washer in the DIYs, but I don't want to get out there with my a$$ under the jacked up car and the bolts opened and then find out that I need some special sealing washer on the fill or drain bolt that I don't have and I need to scramble to get it.......
I believe the washers came with both plugs. i suggest to get new plugs, about $10 each.
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Old 08-14-2013, 06:34 PM   #85
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I posted this on the DIY thread too, but by the way, looking at both of these schematics

http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts...96&hg=24&fg=15

http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts...71&hg=24&fg=15

It would appear that the FILL BOLT is actually on the passenger side, and is an outer hex bolt rather than a torx bolt (it is #10 on the upper picture and "C" on the lower picture) This is for a 325 XI. The drain bolt is pictured as a torx bolt.

Any comments from the crowd? I know some people have filled from the "other side" (ie the passenger side) but most people are wrenching the T45 torx bolt on the drivers side and complaining about how there is no clearance. Given these pictures, it would seem that they're not highlighting that as the actual fill bolt in reality.

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Old 08-14-2013, 08:00 PM   #86
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On my GM Auto Trans these are the BMW part numbers for the fill and drain plugs. Note there are no washers on either one.

They run about $11 each. I didn't replace them when I did my change.

24111423986 BOE BMW Part ATF Fill Plug (no washer)
24117533937 BOE BMW Part ATF Drain Plug (no washer)
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Old 08-14-2013, 08:19 PM   #87
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I posted this on the DIY thread too, but by the way, looking at both of these schematics

http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts...96&hg=24&fg=15

http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts...71&hg=24&fg=15

It would appear that the FILL BOLT is actually on the passenger side, and is an outer hex bolt rather than a torx bolt (it is #10 on the upper picture and "C" on the lower picture) This is for a 325 XI. The drain bolt is pictured as a torx bolt.

Any comments from the crowd? I know some people have filled from the "other side" (ie the passenger side) but most people are wrenching the T45 torx bolt on the drivers side and complaining about how there is no clearance. Given these pictures, it would seem that they're not highlighting that as the actual fill bolt in reality.
I used the 8mm (correct) plug in the driver side. This is also the plug that ecs shows being used in the tutorial video and is in the kit as a replacement

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Old 08-14-2013, 08:40 PM   #88
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On my GM Auto Trans these are the BMW part numbers for the fill and drain plugs. Note there are no washers on either one.

They run about $11 each. I didn't replace them when I did my change.

24111423986 BOE BMW Part ATF Fill Plug (no washer)
24117533937 BOE BMW Part ATF Drain Plug (no washer)
There are O-rings built into the sealing surface of these for the seal.
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I posted this on the DIY thread too, but by the way, looking at both of these schematics

http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts...96&hg=24&fg=15

http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts...71&hg=24&fg=15

It would appear that the FILL BOLT is actually on the passenger side, and is an outer hex bolt rather than a torx bolt (it is #10 on the upper picture and "C" on the lower picture) This is for a 325 XI. The drain bolt is pictured as a torx bolt.

Any comments from the crowd? I know some people have filled from the "other side" (ie the passenger side) but most people are wrenching the T45 torx bolt on the drivers side and complaining about how there is no clearance. Given these pictures, it would seem that they're not highlighting that as the actual fill bolt in reality.
Initially I was going to use the driver side plug and even removed the short drive shaft to gain access. After removing the pan I noticed the other plug ( this passenger side plug was never mentioned in any diy I had read prior to starting the job). After comparing the two sides for height from the bottom of the tranny I went ahead and used the passenger side plug as my fill plug. No issues.
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On my GM Auto Trans these are the BMW part numbers for the fill and drain plugs. Note there are no washers on either one.

They run about $11 each. I didn't replace them when I did my change.

24111423986 BOE BMW Part ATF Fill Plug (no washer)
24117533937 BOE BMW Part ATF Drain Plug (no washer)
http://www.realoem.com/bmw/partxref....ur=&series=E46

Ok so I put that part number in and it doesn't list it for the XI.......

You have an XI or you have a regular RWD with a GM trans?

I'm just really confused, but given that we just had someone who said they used the hex bolt that I'm talking about, I think there may be something here....and we could amend the DIYs for XI models to use the pax side fill bolt, which might be easier to wrench (it is a normal hex bolt) and might have easier access......

there must be some reason why the XI doesn't spec that T45 fill plug in all the part numbers and diagrams for the XI.....

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Old 08-15-2013, 11:53 AM   #91
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Mine isn't an Xi.

I think you have a A5S 390R transmission. Mine is the 360R.
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Mine isn't an Xi.

I think you have a A5S 390R transmission. Mine is the 360R.
Aha - maybe that is it. So maybe for the XI we need to amend the DIY to say that you use a [X]mm socket wrench to loosen the fill HEX BOLT on the passenger side.......
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Old 11-27-2013, 01:10 AM   #93
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+1 My XI has a hex bolt with a 17mm head on passenger side, GM tranny
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