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Old 03-22-2009, 06:37 PM   #41
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Just as another view from England to the one posted by Glocky from his forum...

I went clay pigeon shooting last weekend with a friend who shoots every other weekend with his 12 year old son (I'm in England BTW). I've done this a number of times before and really do enjoy it. The other people who shoot are very friendly and it attracts people from all walks of life - a great crowd.

My brother in law also has a shotgun and hunts game birds and shoots vermin (rough shooting) with his springer at his side almost every week in season.

My father also carried a gun in the anti-terrorist squad in London's Metropolitan Police force as well as SO19 (the specialist firearms unit of the Met Police).

Despite all this, I am still glad that the UK has as strict a stance on gun ownership and usage as it does and you will find this view very much in the majority in the UK.

I have no issues at all with people owning firearms for the hunting of game, vermin and clay pigeon shooting, but I see no reason for guns to be held otherwise. This essentially means ownership of rifles and shotguns only, where legitimate use allows. I think the issue we have in the UK is that handguns and assault rifles (or their semi and single shot derivatives) are designed to kill people - that's the bit most Brits object to. I think the lack of a gun culture in the UK means that most people do not come into contact with guns at all in their lives.

Operation Trident (as mentioned in the post quoted by Glocky) has been set up by The Met Police to tackle black on black violence in London - most of which is gun crime. Indeed, the majority of gun crime comitted in the capital is by blacks on blacks. This is not a racist comment - simply a matter of public record. My dad's ex girlfriend still works on Trident as a family liasion, dealing with the aftermath of these crimes, BTW.

There are units of the police that do carry firearms in the UK (mostly Glock handguns and MP5's BTW), but these are mostly confined to airports, the aforementioned SO19 (and their out of London equivalents) and diplomatic protection teams. (My dad carried a S&W .38 in the anti-terrorist squad incidentally). When the public see a police officer in the UK, 99 times out of 100 it is without a gun. This is obviously different to the US, where my own limited experience over the pond tells me that most officers do carry a weapon.

As a result, I'm an Englishman who feels safer living in a country where access to guns is strictly limited - as opposed to US gun owners who feel safer with a firearm. I don't really think there is an end game to the argument of gun ownership v gun control once a civilian population has realtively free and easy access to guns, but where a very limited numbers of guns are in the public's hands I think it is better to maintain the status quo rather than open Pandora's box... Just my 2p
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Glock 30 with nightsights retails for $699! Nightsights are a $70-$100 upgrade. $550 is a great everyday price.

To me the show is as much about convience as anything. It is close, in stock, and I walk out with my guns. I always get good deals.
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Just as another view from England to the one posted by Glocky from his forum...

I went clay pigeon shooting last weekend with a friend who shoots every other weekend with his 12 year old son (I'm in England BTW). I've done this a number of times before and really do enjoy it. The other people who shoot are very friendly and it attracts people from all walks of life - a great crowd.

My brother in law also has a shotgun and hunts game birds and shoots vermin (rough shooting) with his springer at his side almost every week in season.

My father also carried a gun in the anti-terrorist squad in London's Metropolitan Police force as well as SO19 (the specialist firearms unit of the Met Police).

Despite all this, I am still glad that the UK has as strict a stance on gun ownership and usage as it does and you will find this view very much in the majority in the UK.

I have no issues at all with people owning firearms for the hunting of game, vermin and clay pigeon shooting, but I see no reason for guns to be held otherwise. This essentially means ownership of rifles and shotguns only, where legitimate use allows. I think the issue we have in the UK is that handguns and assault rifles (or their semi and single shot derivatives) are designed to kill people - that's the bit most Brits object to. I think the lack of a gun culture in the UK means that most people do not come into contact with guns at all in their lives.

Operation Trident (as mentioned in the post quoted by Glocky) has been set up by The Met Police to tackle black on black violence in London - most of which is gun crime. Indeed, the majority of gun crime comitted in the capital is by blacks on blacks. This is not a racist comment - simply a matter of public record. My dad's ex girlfriend still works on Trident as a family liasion, dealing with the aftermath of these crimes, BTW.

There are units of the police that do carry firearms in the UK (mostly Glock handguns and MP5's BTW), but these are mostly confined to airports, the aforementioned SO19 (and their out of London equivalents) and diplomatic protection teams. (My dad carried a S&W .38 in the anti-terrorist squad incidentally). When the public see a police officer in the UK, 99 times out of 100 it is without a gun. This is obviously different to the US, where my own limited experience over the pond tells me that most officers do carry a weapon.

As a result, I'm an Englishman who feels safer living in a country where access to guns is strictly limited - as opposed to US gun owners who feel safer with a firearm. I don't really think there is an end game to the argument of gun ownership v gun control once a civilian population has realtively free and easy access to guns, but where a very limited numbers of guns are in the public's hands I think it is better to maintain the status quo rather than open Pandora's box... Just my 2p
You feel safer knowing the law-abiding citizens can not jump through legal hoops to obtain a firearm for personal protection, but a criminal who cares nothing about the law can get a firearm very easily?

Keep in mind, that American's need for guns was solidified by us braking free from Britain with them. Our entire country was based on few major ideas. Freedom of speech, religion, press, and the right to bare arms. The idea was to eliminate supression. If you guys enjoy it, more power to ya.

Just out of curiosity, what would happen if someone went on the news and starting talking bad about the queen, parliment, etc. Would they get arrested? Can someone organize a protest and demand the queen be removed at the royal palace?
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Of course they are.
If you wanna take all the guns away from people, are you offering world peace and free karate classes to all women?

Eliminating weapons will not eliminate crime. The only people that think that way are the people that think guns commit crime.
I feel a million times safer knowing that dozens of citizens around me are carrying.
You're taking my quote out of context JJ. I'm not saying I'm against all gun ownership, but why would you need a handgun in the UK with such a miniscule amount of gun-related crime as a percentage of overall crime here? You may very well (legitimately in my opinion) feel the need to carry in the US to even up the odds if it is much more likely a criminal will be armed with a gun too - you are trying to compare two populations with hugely different attitudes to, and experience of, gun crime.
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yep. It's "I just have to " and not "I have just to "
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You're taking my quote out of context JJ. I'm not saying I'm against all gun ownership, but why would you need a handgun in the UK with such a miniscule amount of gun-related crime as a percentage of overall crime here? You may very well (legitimately in my opinion) feel the need to carry in the US to even up the odds if it is much more likely a criminal will be armed with a gun too - you are trying to compare two populations with hugely different attitudes to, and experience of, gun crime.
Gun related crime is not the concern, its crime in general. A 300lbs ex con does not need a gun to rape a 110lb girl in a laundry mat.

It is a proven fact that crime is highest where the gun laws are the strictist (in American at least). Criminals #1 fear is not prison, its being shot by a citizen.
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Gun related crime is not the concern, its crime in general. A 300lbs ex con does not need a gun to rape a 110lb girl in a laundry mat.

It is a proven fact that crime is highest where the gun laws are the strictist (in American at least). Criminals #1 fear is not prison, its being shot by a citizen.
Don' want to start the eternal debate, But the day You'll explain me why there are ten times less firearms murders in europe than in USA, I'll never speak about guns anymore.
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You feel safer knowing the law-abiding citizens can not jump through legal hoops to obtain a firearm for personal protection, but a criminal who cares nothing about the law can get a firearm very easily?

Keep in mind, that American's need for guns was solidified by us braking free from Britain with them. Our entire country was based on few major ideas. Freedom of speech, religion, press, and the right to bare arms. The idea was to elimate supression. If you guys enjoy it, more power to ya.

Just out of curiosity, what would happen if someone went on the news and starting talking about the queen, parliment, etc. Would they get arrested?
Glocky, the difference between the US and the UK is that guns are used in a tiny minority of crimes over here. The chances of me being involved in a stick up by a perp using a gun is infintessimally small. I'm far more likely to die in my car tomorrow. I don't feel threatened in any way when I walk down the street.

There is a clear differnece between the US population's idea of "freedom" and "rights" than that of the UK's. We see universal free-at-the-point-of-need healthcare as a basic human right - you see it as some sort of Darwinian weeding out of the weak (hugely funny from a country with some seriously "Christian" morals and ethics in large areas).

I would suggest that the UK is far more advanced than the US in terms of real freedom of speech and expression. Two examples spring to mind - a ban on pictures of dead US soldiers being shown on US TV under Bush and the clearly blurred lines between religion and the state in the US (in direct contravention of your own bill of rights I believe). Over here, Blair was a Catholic but couldn't be confimed until he left office - we have a serious dislike for anything religious interferring with our politics.

As you rightly point out, you bear arms as a throwback to the revoloutionary era - what are you fighting for now?
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Glocky, the difference between the US and the UK is that guns are used in a tiny minority of crimes over here. The chances of me being involved in a stick up by a perp using a gun is infintessimally small. I'm far more likely to die in my car tomorrow. I don't feel threatened in any way when I walk down the street.

There is a clear differnece between the US population's idea of "freedom" and "rights" than that of the UK's. We see universal free-at-the-point-of-need healthcare as a basic human right - you see it as some sort of Darwinian weeding out of the weak (hugely funny from a country with some seriously "Christian" morals and ethics in large areas).

I would suggest that the UK is far more advanced than the US in terms of real freedom of speech and expression. Two examples spring to mind - a ban on pictures of dead US soldiers being shown on US TV under Bush and the clearly blurred lines between religion and the state in the US (in direct contravention of your own bill of rights I beleive). Over here, Blair was a Catholic but couldn't be confimed until he left office - we have a serious dislike for anything religious interferring with our politics.

As you rightly point out, you bear arms as a throwback to the revoloutionary era - what are you fighting for now?
Replace " UK " with "France" in the text and you'll be good in my book
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Don' want to start the eternal debate, But the day You'll explain me why there are ten times less firearms murders in europe than in USA, I'll never speak about guns anymore.
Outlaw guns and see who obeys the law. Criminals will keep their guns or get them illegally and use them on unarmed victims. Australia is a perfect example...

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No one with a brain would argue that Britian has less gun related crimes than America. If you guys had more cars than us, you would probably have my car related crimes. Moot point.

I am talking about having the ability to stop crime yourself. To protect yourself and your family. If you and your wife, kid, friend are walking down the street and 4 guys with knives (they are legal, right?) surround you, what exactly are you going to do?

We were just raised differently.

Here is an article I found that completely disagrees with your crime statements.


Britain, Australia top U.S. in violent crime

Rates Down Under increase despite strict gun-control measures


Law enforcement and anti-crime activists regularly claim that the United States tops the charts in most crime-rate categories, but a new international study says that America's former master -- Great Britain -- has much higher levels of crime. The International Crime Victims Survey, conducted by Leiden University in Holland, found that England and Wales ranked second overall in violent crime among industrialized nations.

Twenty-six percent of English citizens -- roughly one-quarter of the population -- have been victimized by violent crime. Australia led the list with more than 30 percent of its population victimized. The United States didn't even make the "top 10" list of industrialized nations whose citizens were victimized by crime.

Jack Straw, the British home secretary, admitted that "levels of victimization are higher than in most comparable countries for most categories of crime."

Highlights of the study indicated that:

The percentage of the population that suffered "contact crime" in England and Wales was 3.6 percent, compared with 1.9 percent in the United States and 0.4 percent in Japan.

Burglary rates in England and Wales were also among the highest recorded. Australia (3.9 percent) and Denmark (3.1 per cent) had higher rates of burglary with entry than England and Wales (2.8 percent). In the U.S., the rate was 2.6 percent, according to 1995 figures;

"After Australia and England and Wales, the highest prevalence of crime was in Holland (25 percent), Sweden (25 percent) and Canada (24 percent). The United States, despite its high murder rate, was among the middle ranking countries with a 21 percent victimization rate," the London Telegraph said.

England and Wales also led in automobile thefts. More than 2.5 percent of the population had been victimized by car theft, followed by 2.1 percent in Australia and 1.9 percent in France. Again, the U.S. was not listed among the "top 10" nations.

The study found that Australia led in burglary rates, with nearly 4 percent of the population having been victimized by a burglary. Denmark was second with 3.1 percent; the U.S. was listed eighth at about 1.8 percent.
Interestingly, the study found that one of the lowest victimization rates -- just 15 percent overall -- occurred in Northern Ireland, home of the Irish Republican Army and scene of years of terrorist violence.

Analysts in the U.S. were quick to point out that all of the other industrialized nations included in the survey had stringent gun-control laws, but were overall much more violent than the U.S.

Indeed, information on Handgun Control's Center to Prevent Handgun Violence website actually praises Australia and attempts to portray Australia as a much safer country following strict gun-control measures passed by lawmakers in 1996.

"The next time a credulous friend or acquaintance tells you that Australia actually suffered more crime when they got tougher on guns ... offer him a Foster's, and tell him the facts," the CPHV site says.

"In 1998, the rate at which firearms were used in murder, attempted murder, assault, sexual assault and armed robbery went down. In that year, the last for which statistics are available, the number of murders involving a firearm declined to its lowest point in four years," says CPHV.

Australia is second to England in auto theft (2.1 percent).

In March 2000, WorldNetDaily reported that since Australia's widespread gun ban, violent crime had increased in the country.

Countrywide, homicides are up 3.2 percent.
Assaults are up 8.6 percent.
Amazingly, armed robberies have climbed nearly 45 percent.
In the Australian state of Victoria, gun homicides have climbed 300 percent.
In the 25 years before the gun bans, crime in Australia had been dropping steadily.
There has been a reported "dramatic increase" in home burglaries and assaults on the elderly.
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Walmart on semoran had 43 boxes of 9mm Blazer Brass for $8.97!

Walmart in Sanford had .40 for $12.97 and CCI .22 high velocity for $6.97 (.07 per round)
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Walmart in Sanford had .40 for $12.97 and CCI .22 high velocity for $6.97 (.07 per round)
Ohh man I don't think my walmart gets anything! Was there any .380 there? Its impossible to find nowadays...
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