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Old 12-22-2010, 04:53 PM   #221
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Il be another one to say amazing work.

I have a 2002 330d (yes UK here!)

I have the GM Auto box: A5S 390R,

Could someone please tell me what the compatible manual boxes are? Or could I use any manual bmw box?

Looking for something that stands up to alot of torque!

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Yours probably came with the GS5-39DZ. That's a ZF gearbox. Can confirm if you give us the last 7 of your VIN or production month/year.
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Old 12-22-2010, 04:58 PM   #222
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Old 12-22-2010, 05:00 PM   #223
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Sorry, I meant to say that the manual version of yours came with that ZF box. The automatic was the GM A5S 390R as you said.

Confirmed - http://realoem.com/bmw/showparts.do?...48&hg=23&fg=05
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Old 12-22-2010, 05:14 PM   #224
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no worries, ta.

So that would be the simplest option? But what other uprated boxes would fit?
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Old 12-22-2010, 05:47 PM   #225
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no worries, ta.

So that would be the simplest option? But what other uprated boxes would fit?
Yeah, it'd be easiest to source a gearbox, drive shaft, etc. from a wrecked 330d.

The transmission to engine bolt pattern looks similar to petrol cars, but I haven't worked on diesels, so can't say for sure. Assuming you find out that they do, another option is an S6S 420G from an E39 540 or E46 M3. The clutch disc used in the 540 is the same as the manual version of your car, so it's a good candidate for a match. Before considering a gearbox out of a petrol car, though, consider the torque rating and the gearing. Diesel gearboxes can typically handle a lot more torque than petrol ones and they're geared to the diesel power band.
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Yeah, it'd be easiest to source a gearbox, drive shaft, etc. from a wrecked 330d.

The transmission to engine bolt pattern looks similar to petrol cars, but I haven't worked on diesels, so can't say for sure. Assuming you find out that they do, another option is an S6S 420G from an E39 540 or E46 M3. The clutch disc used in the 540 is the same as the manual version of your car, so it's a good candidate for a match. Before considering a gearbox out of a petrol car, though, consider the torque rating and the gearing. Diesel gearboxes can typically handle a lot more torque than petrol ones and they're geared to the diesel power band.
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Old 12-23-2010, 03:54 AM   #227
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Cheers cyberkaa.

Am I correct in saying that its the covering plate:

(from 330d M57) part no.9


that the transmission bolts onto?

If so this looks pretty identical to the one from an S54 e46 m3 like you say:
Apart from parts 10 & 11 above? but these are auto only.



Alot of people would say go buy a new car, but I love working on mine and would be looking to do something like this in the new year. Just got alot of reading to do, but im sure its fairly possible.


I can only find wikipedia reference at the moment, but it says this 420G is rated upto 499nm, vs 390nm at the moment thats pretty good?

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Old 12-23-2010, 04:30 AM   #228
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Or the GS6-53DZ, from 2004 they changed to a ZF 6 speed on the 330d's

http://bmwfans.info/parts/catalog/E4...x_gs6_53bz_dz/
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The covering plate is what the transmission bolts through and that's one piece I use to determine compatibility, too. Yes, looks like you have a match.
I'd just verify the pilot bearing ID/OD as a final step. I suspect it's also the same part.

Your M57 puts out about 410nm of torque so you're covered with the 420G if that torque spec is accurate.

That GS6-53DZ is also used in the recent M5s and M6s. That looks like a nice option.
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Old 12-25-2010, 10:57 PM   #230
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cheers for answering cyberkaa, could you clarify your ID/OD abbreviations please? Could find anything on Parts list named 'Pilot bearing'

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Old 12-25-2010, 11:26 PM   #231
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cheers for answering cyberkaa, could you clarify your ID/OD abbreviations please? Could find anything on Parts list named 'Pilot bearing'

Thanks.
ID=inner diameter, OD=outer diameter. Those are the two most important dimensions of the pilot bearing. The OD depends on the engine and the ID depends on the tip of the transmission input shaft.
Here's one from an M3 (labeled "grooved ball bearing"):
http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts...=11&fg=20&hl=6
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Old 12-26-2010, 12:02 AM   #232
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hmm, ok.

My car:
http://bmwfans.info/parts/catalog/E4...browse/engine/

better gearbox car:
http://bmwfans.info/parts/catalog/E4...browse/engine/

They are different, but the ID is the same right? 15? Bit confused though as on the automatic it doesnt even have one!?
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hmm, ok.

My car:
http://bmwfans.info/parts/catalog/E4...browse/engine/

better gearbox car:
http://bmwfans.info/parts/catalog/E4...browse/engine/

They are different, but the ID is the same right? 15? Bit confused though as on the automatic it doesnt even have one!?
That's right, so the transmission input shaft should fit the same - that's what you want. You'll use the one that matches your engine.

The pilot bearing centers the input shaft of the manual gearbox. Automatics don't need one.
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Just wanted to say thanks, Neil!
The coding instructions were spot on. I only deviated a bit because I used NCS Expert to write the new ZCS information and turn various Automatik flags off in KOMBI, EWS, and LSZ.
The DME reprogramming with Progman went without a hitch and took care of the EGS CAN bus fault code so no more SES light.
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The coding instructions were spot on. I only deviated a bit because I used NCS Expert to write the new ZCS information and turn various Automatik flags off in KOMBI, EWS, and LSZ.
Any DIY or screenshots with NCS Expert? I cheated and went the route of DIS v43 (last version of DIS w/ coding abilities). Answering a few questions and it did the programming by itself.

EDIT CORRECTION: DIS v43 was used. It is also believed that this is the last version w/ coding abilities. I have not seen any documentation out there stating otherwise. Does anyone have DIS v44 to confirm?

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Any DIY or screenshots with NCS Expert? I cheated and went the route of DIS v44 (last version of DIS w/ coding abilities). Answering a few questions and it did the programming by itself.
It deserves its own thread (with screenshots) so I'll write one up later. DIS would have been a much more straightforward route, but I wanted to learn NCS Expert, so two birds with one stone.
The GT1 I borrowed for the DME programming today had the newest Progman software, but still let me get into DIS v43 when I selected E34 as the chassis. I'm pretty sure I could have recoded ZCS with it.
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Any DIY or screenshots with NCS Expert? I cheated and went the route of DIS v43 (last version of DIS w/ coding abilities). Answering a few questions and it did the programming by itself.

EDIT CORRECTION: DIS v43 was used. It is also believed that this is the last version w/ coding abilities. I have not seen any documentation out there stating otherwise. Does anyone have DIS v44 to confirm?
I have DIS v44 installed and it shows the option to code, but I haven't tested it. When I applied a DIS v57 upgrade over v44, it removed the coding button.
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The GT1 I borrowed for the DME programming today had the newest Progman software, but still let me get into DIS v43 when I selected E34 as the chassis. I'm pretty sure I could have recoded ZCS with it.
This is how I did my coding so I can confirm it works
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