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Old 03-31-2009, 02:05 PM   #101
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Having gun ownership will only protect innocent people who want to have guns for their own self protection, bad guys will ALWAYS have guns no matter if its banned or not
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Old 03-31-2009, 02:06 PM   #102
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Keeping reading... Look into that a little more than the sticker on their car or a slogan on their website.
Protect and Serve...who?


Think about this statement... I agree with it, but not in the way you think you stating it.

The country would be a MUCH different story if this was true....
There might be more than 'protect and serve', but that's the essential idea. That's why they have it everywhere, it's the summarized version of their duty.

And exactly, so why not try to make it true? Do you have a problem with the statement "With zero guns, we'd all be better off."? So, why not strive for it as a 10 year safety plan or something? I don't want my kids to grow up in a society where everyone on the street has guns, and that is the way it was going.

The rest of the world thinks we're crazy, and I think they have some pretty legit reasons. Have you ever traveled outside of the U.S. and talked to people about what it's like here?
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Having gun ownership will only protect innocent people who want to have guns for their own self protection, bad guys will ALWAYS have guns no matter if its banned or not
So simple to understand yet people cannot grasp this concept.
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Old 03-31-2009, 02:11 PM   #104
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Some of the smartest people I know barely have a high school degree and some of the dumbest have PHDs...
QFT.

Bill Gates dropped of high school, and is not only brilliant, but has managed to do quite well for himself. At the other end of the spectrum, I have a friend who's a physician, and couldn't figure out how to connect two VCRs together to copy a tape.

There is no reasoning with anti-gun types. They can't seem to grasp that a gun is nothing more than an object, and only dangerous in the wrong hands. The same can be said for knives, baseball bats, and my hockey equipment.
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So simple to understand yet people cannot grasp this concept.
Its just people gotta get out of that SQUARE BOX and look at this world with real life. I mean if theres a way to destroy all the guns in the world thn yea, but thats never gonna happen, Bad guys WILL ALWAYS have guns....no matter what, its sooo simple but stupid people dont understand that
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Old 03-31-2009, 02:14 PM   #106
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So simple to understand yet people cannot grasp this concept.
Everyone grasps that concept, that is common sense and obvious to anyone who has a big pink thing in the middle of their head. What people don't grasp is the long term consequences and problems that your mentality will create, please try to understand that this is what the majority of people are arguing.

You keep implying that people who disagree with you are stupid, which is something that I still do all the time and trust me, it doesn't get you anywhere. Try to see where the other side is coming from, that way you will better understand it and will either change your mind or find faults and reinforce your own beliefs.

Rejecting everything gets everybody nowhere.
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Old 03-31-2009, 02:17 PM   #107
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Not more... actually less.

The Supreme Court of the United States has ruled numerous times since 1856 that law enforcement officers have no duty to protect any individual, despite the motto "protect and serve." Their duty is to enforce the law in general. The first such case was in 1856 (South v. Maryland) and the most recent in 2005 (Town of Castle Rock v. Gonzales)
Why didn't you say that at first!! lol, now it makes sense what you were saying, I thought you went nuts for a second.

Either way it doesn't matter, my police comment was an aside from the topic at hand. If there were no guns, police wouldn't be put in the position to have to risk their lives to protect people in order to enforce the law. How many police officers per year are killed by guns?
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Do you have a problem with the statement "With zero guns, we'd all be better off."? So, why not strive for it as a 10 year safety plan or something? I don't want my kids to grow up in a society where everyone on the street has guns, and that is the way it was going.
If there were no guns, do you think people would still not get murdered? Replace 'guns' with knives, bats, hell - sticks and stones. If someone is intent on causing grievous harm to you or your family, they don't need a gun to do.

You can cower in fear, and wait for the police to show up. Me, I'm protecting me and mine.

Consider this: In Switzerland, everybody(!) has a gun - gov't issued. Some of the lowest crime in the world, and nobody messes with them.
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If there were no guns, do you think people would still not get murdered? Replace 'guns' with knives, bats, hell - sticks and stones. If someone is intent on causing grievous harm to you or your family, they don't need a gun to do.

You can cower in fear, and wait for the police to show up. Me, I'm protecting me and mine.

Consider this: In Switzerland, everybody(!) has a gun - gov't issued. Some of the lowest crime in the world, and nobody messes with them.
Of course people would get murdered, but it's a lot harder to kill someone with sticks and stones than a gun. All you have to do is point and shoot from any reasonable distance and the person is dead. That logic makes no sense...

Guns are bad because they allow things to get out of hand VERY fast. In a gun fight, things can escalate from one person holding a gun up to everyone dead in a matter of seconds. Not the same story in a knife or sticks-n-stones fight...

By the way, if someone invades my home I'm not going to cower in fear and wait for the police to show up. Don't assume things just because I'm arguing points and giving examples.

That's cool about Switzerland, I didn't know that, but that's much different than here. It's a much smaller country that's surrounded by big ones and they have pretty much zero military.
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While our miltary is off fighting in other countries, I'm comfortable with the fact that we civilian are capable of defending ourselves.
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Of course people would get murdered, but it's a lot harder to kill someone with sticks and stones than a gun. All you have to do is point and shoot from any reasonable distance and the person is dead. That logic makes no sense...

Guns are bad because they allow things to get out of hand VERY fast. In a gun fight, things can escalate from one person holding a gun up to everyone dead in a matter of seconds. Not the same story in a knife or sticks-n-stones fight...
A gun can also de-escalate a potentially violent situation very rapidly. People seem to back the f*ck down very quickly when presented with the business end of a barrel.

The only thing that banning guns does is make criminals bolder, knowing they're less likely to encounter resistance from their victims.

Am I saying that everyone should be carrying? Hell no! I've been a firearms instructor for ages, and you wouldn't believe some of the stuff I've seen. BUT, if only 2-3% of the population carried, the bad guys don't know who that 2-3% is. You'd probably think twice about mugging or raping that librarian if you thought she might pull out a pistol and put a big hole in your body somewhere. (ps: not suggesting you're a mugger or rapist).
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Of course people would get murdered, but it's a lot harder to kill someone with sticks and stones than a gun. All you have to do is point and shoot from any reasonable distance and the person is dead. That logic makes no sense...

Guns are bad because they allow things to get out of hand VERY fast. In a gun fight, things can escalate from one person holding a gun up to everyone dead in a matter of seconds. Not the same story in a knife or sticks-n-stones fight...

By the way, if someone invades my home I'm not going to cower in fear and wait for the police to show up. Don't assume things just because I'm arguing points and giving examples.

That's cool about Switzerland, I didn't know that, but that's much different than here. It's a much smaller country that's surrounded by big ones and they have pretty much zero military.
Just curious, what is your plan if someone does break in your house? I always like to know what people have in mind.
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We think of police in different ways... You like to think of police for what you envision they should be or what you would like them to be:
Powerful overseeing superheros that live, breathe and work to protect you, your family and your property OVER ALL ELSE.

I see police for what they truly are: Public servants that work for and serve me (the public) to enforce the law and uphold the constitution and protect/respect MY RIGHTS above ALL ELSE.

Sadly, this is not the case... its kinda hard for police to uphold the constitution, my rights and the law, when they have a 2nd grade education on those topics combined with a misplaced interpretation on what their position's responsibility REALLY is intended.
Actually I agree with you on police, now that I know where you're going with it. I think it's unfair for police (as human beings) to be put in the positions they're in. Although it's part of the job description, the fact that they can easily die any day at work is a little sad.. the police in Europe don't really have to worry about getting a gun pulled on them by some out-of-control nutjob during a routine traffic stop.
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That's cool about Switzerland ... It's a much smaller country that's surrounded by big ones and they have pretty much zero military.
Er, Switzerland (and most European nations) have mandatory military service for all adult males. You turn 18, you put in your 18 or 24 months like everyone else.

Don't kid yourself. They may appear to be a bunch of lederhosen wearing, watch and chocolate exporting sissies, but have a surprisingly capable, if small, military.
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So any pro-gun person have an idea of how to reduce gun crime?

Because it sounds to me the only idea put forth is to get more guns.

And insult people who have differing opinions. C'mon conservatives. If you think you're intelligent put forth a good suggestion.

And saying something like "your an idiot you will never take my guns" doesn't count. If not, just say you like the way things are now. It's real simple.
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A gun can also de-escalate a potentially violent situation very rapidly. People seem to back the f*ck down very quickly when presented with the business end of a barrel.

The only thing that banning guns does is make criminals bolder, knowing they're less likely to encounter resistance from their victims.

Am I saying that everyone should be carrying? Hell no! I've been a firearms instructor for ages, and you wouldn't believe some of the stuff I've seen. BUT, if only 2-3% of the population carried, the bad guys don't know who that 2-3% is. You'd probably think twice about mugging or raping that librarian if you thought she might pull out a pistol and put a big hole in your body somewhere. (ps: not suggesting you're a mugger or rapist).
This is true, but what if both people have escalated tempers and both are packing? Someone's going to die, and that's almost guaranteed.

Banning guns might make criminals bolder, but imagine the laws changed to make the penalties much harsher for unlawful gun possession. All these people are after is money, and if faced with 10 years in jail for just having a gun, I think that some would reconsider.

You're absolutely right in the last paragraph, I can't really argue that. The only thing I can say is just repetitive... with 0 guns, we'd all be better off, so that is what I think we should strive for in order to ensure a better future for this country.
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So any pro-gun person have an idea of how to reduce gun crime?
Yes, overhaul the bleeding-heart Liberal judicial system so that a) judges are elected and held accountable, and b) stop putting the rights of the criminals ahead of the those of victims.

Make the penalties for violent crimes committed with a firearm so severe, and ENFORCE them, so that they may act as a deterrent.
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Really? Ship jobs over seas is our problem now too? So the CEOs, who find cheaper labor without BS unions, and retirment, and all the other BS that it takes to have a person work for you, not to mention the increase in taxes to employ someone to pay taxes, to file taxes on your local and state and federal, to pay tax on all the goods he helped make, while paying taxes on his gas to drive his used car which paid taxes twice on, just to drive to the tax agency once a year, and pay tax on having someone do his taxes...

You are a fvcking idiot.

Deregulate the markets? Did you happen to pay attention in the past 3 years? I believe the deregulation of the markets was spearheaded by the Libs, and not stopped by the republicans.

You want to talk sh!t, and go toe to toe with someone... bring it on. You are an irresponsable, irrational, blind idoit, with absolutely no forethought or design behind the words you speak. Let me guess, Obama is your king... He'll fix everything....

Wanna blame Bush, and the republicans (Whom I might add, are not all in favor of Bush) fine. Talk about sticking ones head in the sand.

Open a newspaper. Read a book. Stop thinking with your Obama Rod.

Ban my guns. I double fvcking dare you. You may take mine... but not everyones. Then it will be on your head if I ever need it. Mark my words kubica... It will be on your head. See you in hell.
Spoken like a true uneducated gun-owning conservative. You have no idea what you are talking about. All republicans need to do is tell uneducated people like you that Democrats want to kill your babies and steal your guns and they have a voter for life.

George W was the worst thing for this country since WWII. I'm sorry FOX News didn't let you in on the secret.
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Er, Switzerland (and most European nations) have mandatory military service for all adult males. You turn 18, you put in your 18 or 24 months like everyone else.

Don't kid yourself. They may appear to be a bunch of lederhosen wearing, watch and chocolate exporting sissies, but have a surprisingly capable, if small, military.
Actually I did know that, I watch the Travel Channel a lot. If they got invaded by the EU or US for whatever reason, their military would get owned just because of its size.

The reason nobody f*cks with them is because they don't really do anything wrong to offend anyone... I also feel that the Swiss are much more responsible people (as a whole) than Americans are, which is why guns are working out well for them.

I personally don't think they're working out here at all.
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This is true, but what if both people have escalated tempers and both are packing? Someone's going to die, and that's almost guaranteed.

Banning guns might make criminals bolder, but imagine the laws changed to make the penalties much harsher for unlawful gun possession. All these people are after is money, and if faced with 10 years in jail for just having a gun, I think that some would reconsider.

You're absolutely right in the last paragraph, I can't really argue that. The only thing I can say is just repetitive... with 0 guns, we'd all be better off, so that is what I think we should strive for in order to ensure a better future for this country.
Do you mean that " 0" guns for innocent people, or the bad guys?

We might have 0 guns, but criminals will always have guns
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