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Old 04-02-2009, 08:40 AM   #1
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Speaker help! B&W, Paradigm, or Other?

I am in the process of upgrading my current home theater system and need some help. I am on a very, VERY strict budget, which only allows me to consider used speakers that are anywhere from 5-10 years old. I'm looking to spend less than $200 for a set of front speakers. They could be good bookshelves, or floorstanding speakers, as long as they sound good and produce full-range sound.

My current setup consists of the following:

Yamaha HTR-5760 Receiver:

http://www.yamaha.com/yec/products/p...4&CTID=5000400

Yamaha NS-AP5705 5.1 Surround Sound Speakers:

No link, can't find them anywhere. Probably because it's a bottom-line HTIB

Yamaha YST-SW012 Sub:
http://www.yamaha.co.jp/english/prod.../ht/sw012.html
Another bottom-line product.

My plan is to replace my entire speaker setup one/two pieces at a time. Right now I'm looking to purchase two front channels that will run in stereo and completely replace my current setup, for now. I may continue to run the sub until I can afford to replace it with a better model.

So, I come to you guys here to help me figure out what my best options are. Right now I'm following a couple of ebay auctions. Here's what I'm looking at:

Paradigm Monitor 3's:
http://www.audioreview.com/mfr/parad...5_1594crx.aspx

Looks like I can get a pair between $150-$200 on eBay/Craigslist.

B&W D****: (Why's 3 0 3 ' s censored?)
http://www.audioreview.com/mfr/b-and...6_4290CRX.ASPX
Direct link is broken due to 3 0 3 being censored. Follow this link and click on DM 3 0 3.

There are a set on eBay with a BIN of $199, but no reserve, and no bidders at $125.

B&W 601 S3:
http://www.audioreview.com/mfr/b-and...2_4290crx.aspx

Set on eBay at $75 right now, but one has a cracked/broken center dome on the woofer. Seller states it doesn't affect sound quality.

Klipsch Synergy III:

http://www.audioreview.com/mfr/klips...6_4290crx.aspx

Set on eBay at $96 with 4 hours left. Not much info on these, audioreview has no reviews.

Polk RT55I:
No audioreview available.
Found a pair without grills for $125 on craigslist, but I'd have to convince the seller to ship.

That's about all I've come up with as of now. Do you guys have any recommendations? I'm just about a complete newb when it comes to home audio and would really appreciate your help. Thanks in advance!

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Old 04-02-2009, 10:51 AM   #2
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I am a Polk dealer. They are great products and great people.

They have speakers from $100 to $2000 each.

I highly recommend them overall.

I absolutely hate Klipsch.

JMHO.
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Old 04-02-2009, 11:17 AM   #3
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I am a Polk dealer. They are great products and great people.

They have speakers from $100 to $2000 each.

I highly recommend them overall.

I absolutely hate Klipsch.

JMHO.
Thanks for your input, Glockman. What do you think of the RT55i that's available on craigslist? Do you have any other recommendations from Polk's lineup that are within my budget?
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So, the gentleman with the Polk RT55i's is willing to ship them to me for a reasonable price. About $30/speaker for shipping. That would bring the total to $185. Good deal?

I've also started looking at the Energy C-300's which seem to get excellent reviews for their price. World Wide Stereo has them for $125 ea. with free shipping.
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Old 04-02-2009, 12:42 PM   #5
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Thanks for your input, Glockman. What do you think of the RT55i that's available on craigslist? Do you have any other recommendations from Polk's lineup that are within my budget?
HOLY CRAP!

I remember those.

That was a great line of speakers. They are OLD though.

They were $700 per pair originally.

http://www.polkaudio.com/homeaudio/p...55i/?reviews=1



PS - There is not a Klipsch on the planet that could touch those!
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HOLY CRAP!

I remember those.

That was a great line of speakers. They are OLD though.

They were $700 per pair originally.

http://www.polkaudio.com/homeaudio/p...55i/?reviews=1



PS - There is not a Klipsch on the planet that could touch those!
Haha, great! Thanks for the seal of approval. I think I'm going to go with those for $185. The age doesn't bother me as long as they are in good condition, and they produce good sound. The pictures the seller posted show them to be in great shape.
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These will be shipping out tomorrow!
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I am a Polk dealer. They are great products and great people.

They have speakers from $100 to $2000 each.

I highly recommend them overall.

I absolutely hate Klipsch.

JMHO.
lol why is that?

Klipsch happens to be one of my favorite brands.

Maybe it's my ears though... I'm 22 and I feel that the horn in klipsch speakers really hits those bright notes sharp and clear... not as soft and mellow as the polk's silk dome tweeter does.

Klipsch speakers does a much better job at playing hip-hop, and techno than Polk.


I think when it comes down to it... one isn't better than another. It's all preference.
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lol why is that?

Klipsch happens to be one of my favorite brands.

Maybe it's my ears though... I'm 22 and I feel that the horn in klipsch speakers really hits those bright notes sharp and clear... not as soft and mellow as the polk's silk dome tweeter does.

Klipsch speakers does a much better job at playing hip-hop, and techno than Polk.


I think when it comes down to it... one isn't better than another. It's all preference.
Speakers are personal opinion but reproduction is reproduction and "sharp" is not a good characteristic in speakers.

In general Klipsch are much harsher and almost hollow sounding.

I just feel that Polk is a better speaker company overall.

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Well, it looks like I got myself into a bit of a situation. Before I committed to purchasing the Polk RT55i's from Craigslist, I had submitted an offer for a pair of Paradigm Monitor 3's from eBay. The contractual 48 hrs. had almost passed since I submitted my offer, so I went ahead and paid for the Polk's. Well, after getting home from the bar last night I checked eBay to find out that the seller accepted my offer within the last 30 min. So, not wanting to risk negative feedback or go through the hassle of negotiating out of the contract, I now have two sets of speakers being delivered next week.

Well, I guess it will give me an opportunity to personally audition both sets in home. I'll see which one's I like better and sell the other set. Oh, well, no big deal I guess. I'm actually a little excited to be able to try out both sets.
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Well, it looks like I got myself into a bit of a situation. Before I committed to purchasing the Polk RT55i's from Craigslist, I had submitted an offer for a pair of Paradigm Monitor 3's from eBay. The contractual 48 hrs. had almost passed since I submitted my offer, so I went ahead and paid for the Polk's. Well, after getting home from the bar last night I checked eBay to find out that the seller accepted my offer within the last 30 min. So, not wanting to risk negative feedback or go through the hassle of negotiating out of the contract, I now have two sets of speakers being delivered next week.

Well, I guess it will give me an opportunity to personally audition both sets in home. I'll see which one's I like better and sell the other set. Oh, well, no big deal I guess. I'm actually a little excited to be able to try out both sets.
Nothing wrong with that.

If they can sell em, so can you.
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Both sets of speakers arrived here last Friday. I was eager to get them set up on their new stands and try them out. I started with the paradigms, and thought they sounded fantastic! The mids were clear at all volume levels and the highs were crisp without being bright. I then set up the Polks, and was a little disappointed. While they sounded very good, I thought the mids sounded a bit muffled, and the highs were not as clear as the Paradigms. These initial listenings were done with music, mostly modern rock.

I then tried them out with a movie, and here, the Polks really shined. The Paradigms performed admirably but the Polks just had a warmer, more realistic voice tone.

In conclusion, I'm keeping both sets. The Polks will remain in the living room and serve as my home theater speakers, and the Paradigms will be moved to the rec room where they will handle mostly music.

I do have a problem, though. Well, not really a problem, but an annoyance. I've been trying to properly configure my receiver for these speakers, and no matter what I do hardly any bass is emitted from the speakers. I understand that bass duties should be left for the subwoofer, but after I sell my Yamaha setup I won't have a sub anymore. Even with the sub disconnected, I can't get any bass out of these things.

I've tried numerous settings. Bass out front, both, and sub; no difference in what's output through the front channels. I've adjusted the crossover all the way down to 40 hz, no difference. Sound was set to 2 ch, of course. I even tried Straight, no difference.

I then took the Paradigms out to my old Sony receiver. They sounded completely different! Much better in terms of music. The bass was MUCH more prevalent, and they just sounded better overall.

Any ideas? Should I be in the hunt for a new receiver?

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Both sets of speakers arrived here last Friday. I was eager to get them set up on their new stands and try them out. I started with the paradigms, and thought they sounded fantastic! The mids were clear at all volume levels and the highs were crisp without being bright. I then set up the Polks, and was a little disappointed. While they sounded very good, I thought the mids sounded a bit muffled, and the highs were not as clear as the Paradigms. These initial listenings were done with music, mostly modern rock.

I then tried them out with a movie, and here, the Polks really shined. The Paradigms performed admirably but the Polks just had a warmer, more realistic voice tone.

In conclusion, I'm keeping both sets. The Polks will remain in the living room and serve as my home theater speakers, and the Paradigms will be moved to the rec room where they will handle mostly music.

I do have a problem, though. Well, not really a problem, but an annoyance. I've been trying to properly configure my receiver for these speakers, and no matter what I do hardly any bass is emitted from the speakers. I understand that bass duties should be left for the subwoofer, but after I sell my Yamaha setup I won't have a sub anymore. Even with the sub disconnected, I can't get any bass out of these things.

I've tried numerous settings. Bass out front, both, and sub; no difference in what's output through the front channels. I've adjusted the crossover all the way down to 40 hz, no difference. Sound was set to 2 ch, of course. I even tried Straight, no difference.

I then took the Paradigms out to my old Sony receiver. They sounded completely different! Much better in terms of music. The bass was MUCH more prevalent, and they just sounded better overall.

Any ideas? Should I be in the hunt for a new receiver?
What about sizing settings on the speakers? Small/Large?

See if there a sub on/off toggle also on the receiver.
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What about sizing settings on the speakers? Small/Large?

See if there a sub on/off toggle also on the receiver.
I've tried both small and large as well. While there is a marginal difference, it sounds nothing like my old Sony receiver. I'm stumped.

I'll have to look and see if there is a toggle for the sub.
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