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Old 04-25-2009, 12:47 AM   #1
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Inside Scoop On Future M Models

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Future BMW M Models and the 2010 BMW X6 M / X5 M - Interview

M is for muscle: We get the scoop on M models through 2015.

BY MICHAEL AUSTIN
June 2009



Like automakers everywhere, BMW is being squeezed by environmental issues (carbon-dioxide emissions, for one) and the need to improve the fuel economy of its fleet. What does this mean for the German automaker’s power-focused M division, with its fuel-hungry road gobblers? We recently asked *Ludwig Willisch, who heads the division.

Willisch told us that the next generation of M engines will have smaller displacement, which could mean less power. But turbocharging will help mitigate the decrease in displacement and should keep power levels about where they are today. And should the output drop, future products will lose pounds to maintain the power-to-weight ratios of today’s M products. Willisch even mentioned deleting somewhat heavy options such as power seats. Here’s what to expect from the M division in the next few years:

2009: M models of the X5 and X6 arrive this fall with an uprated version of BMW’s twin-turbocharged 4.4-liter V-8 that bristles with 21 psi of boost, 555 horsepower, and 500 pound-feet of torque at a low 1500 rpm. A new launch-control function enables ridiculous 0-to-60 times in the low fours.

2012: Willisch told us the M5 and M6 will have an engine that is similar in concept to the X5/X6 M but not the same—maybe a small-displacement twin-turbo V-8 or even a radical twin-turbo V-6.

2014: An M version of the next-gen 1-series may arrive powered by a twin-turbo inline-four. BMW is looking at the business case before any engineering plans are made, but the goal would be about 300 horsepower with a 2900-pound curb weight.

2015: The next M3 will be the “best” M3 ever and faster than today’s car, said Willisch. Work on the future M3 hasn’t begun, but an inline-six and a V-6 are both being considered. Expect E30-like levels of mayhem.
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Old 04-25-2009, 12:52 AM   #2
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NOOOOOO!!!!! were going into the 70's and 80's all over again...



the new gen M3 though!!! E30 FTW
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Old 04-25-2009, 01:12 AM   #3
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1 series with a turbo inline 4...and the m3 possibly with a V6? wtf
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Old 04-25-2009, 02:52 AM   #4
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BMW, you just lost me to Audi and Mercedes, hell might buy a Lexus before a BMW. At least you still have my dad and brother, but only just!
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Old 04-25-2009, 02:11 PM   #5
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wow 300 horsepower in a 1 series.. That's unheard of!

"2014: An M version of the next-gen 1-series may arrive powered by a twin-turbo inline-four. BMW is looking at the business case before any engineering plans are made, but the goal would be about 300 horsepower with a 2900-pound curb weight."
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NOOOOOO!!!!! were going into the 70's and 80's all over again...
which was the golden age of BMW. I for one am glad to see them going lower displacement motors and lighter cars. There's no point in a 600hp, 5,000lb car imo unless it can be fixed with a browning M2 and you're going to war with a small country.

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wow 300 horsepower in a 1 series.. That's unheard of!
Well if they can keep the 300hp that's in the current 135, but shave off 500lbs...
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Old 04-25-2009, 05:13 PM   #7
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Inline 6 again in the M3? and shave off some weight. Back to the true roots of the M motorsport
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Europeans are stoopid. They keep splitting countries, while being jealous of our powa. Of course the EU is good for them, but does that have any real power?

Not even mentioning the efficiencies of larger countries.

As divided as this country is, at least we are one.
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which was the golden age of BMW. I for one am glad to see them going lower displacement motors and lighter cars. There's no point in a 600hp, 5,000lb car imo unless it can be fixed with a browning M2 and you're going to war with a small country.

True, I was thinking of the industry as a whole but youre right.
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I have yet to be disappointed by BMW products, so the future looks bright IMHO. Progression is the hallmark of a stable company, and BMW is pretty rock solid. Bring on the new ///M models!
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looking forward to it.......... i'm sure they know what they are doing a lot better than we think
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At first when I heard that ///M division was going F/I, I was a little uncertain of how It would turn out, this article gives me some assurance, but I have never lost hope in the ///M's and I know they will all be great cars.
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I am really liking the words "radical twin-turbo V6" even if it is a V6...
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BMW, you just lost me to Audi and Mercedes, hell might buy a Lexus before a BMW. At least you still have my dad and brother, but only just!

You are going to go to Audi and MB? Why, because BMW are going to go the FI route? Newsbreak, so are they.

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which was the golden age of BMW. I for one am glad to see them going lower displacement motors and lighter cars. There's no point in a 600hp, 5,000lb car imo unless it can be fixed with a browning M2 and you're going to war with a small country.



Well if they can keep the 300hp that's in the current 135, but shave off 500lbs...
The 3 liter twin turbo is the first turbo'ed BMW engine in decades yet they still managed to win many many awards. While some members here might not agree with what cars are being released, one thing is for certain, when it comes to engines, they are all fantastic.
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You are going to go to Audi and MB? Why, because BMW are going to go the FI route? Newsbreak, so are they.

Yeah, his comment didn't make much sense to me either.
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BMW has stated over and over again the it will NEVER go to a V6. They feel very strongly about their inline six and recognize that it not only gives them an edge to other companies, but that it's the classic BMW trademark.
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I really don't care what engine they put in it so long as it is a true BMW. I am not a fan of these fat and unattached cars of late. I am sure the E92 M3 is awesome but compared to the E36 or even E30 its a pig. People of today want a big fast car that is quiet, comfortable and easy to drive and BMW is going that way. I think I will probably skip the M3 and just go to Porsche for my next car. I will know when I get there, which wont be for a few years as my E46 makes me happy.
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as my E46 makes me happy.
The E46 ///M3 wasn't praised (..by the online forum crowd) when it debuted, and neither was the E36 ///M3......

....it wasn't until later that these cars received appreciable stature. It's cyclical!!!!!!!
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If they make a Fvcking V6 i dont know what to think anymore. I can deal with the turbo, but switching to a V6 will just lose me as a customer...Atleast to their V6 cars. The smoothness of the I6 is what set the 3 series apart from every other car in its class
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The E46 ///M3 wasn't praised (..by the online forum crowd) when it debuted, and neither was the E36 ///M3......

....it wasn't until later that these cars received appreciable stature. It's cyclical!!!!!!!
I believe it!

For me the facelifted coupe looks the best out of the e46 crowd. If they had facelifted the M3 like the coupe I would've bought it.

The new styling has grown on me, coupe only. The sedan is okay and I would never buy it, rather get the 5 series or a Mercedes.

The 335i with M package and some mods can look really good but it feels a little too JDM. Maybe it's cause all the cars look so similar now and it reminds me of a Infiniti or something Japanese.
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