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Are you a gun fanatic as well? If so, you'll want to talk to other owners about what you own in this forum.

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Old 05-22-2009, 12:19 PM   #41
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Old 05-22-2009, 12:19 PM   #42
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I'm thinking of getting a gun, but my question to justify owning one is do I need it?
1. You don't need a reason to own a gun and you never need to justify it by asking people if it's ever saved a life...

2. Would you poll 10 people to see if a seatbelt ever had to be used and saved a life before putting it on yourself?

3. You shouldn't get caught up in anything other people think negatively about you owning a firearm. Most people, if not everyone that has an issue is just misinformed or uneducated in the matter.

Life is fragile, extremely fragile and the world is not a safe place no matter where you live, end of story.

I hope I NEVER need to use my firearm in defense, but if I do, I'm 100% prepared mentally and trained physically to do so.
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Old 05-22-2009, 12:23 PM   #44
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^ Good advice...
If someone needs to "justify" owning a firearm.... they are completely missing the point and I suggest that they do not purchase one.....yet
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I guess it all depends on where you live and what your lifestyle is. I've had to use a weapon twice to scare off people but never had to fire any in anger and if I lived in any major US city I'd have a concealed carry permit. Like I said "it all depends on where you live and what your lifestyle is".

Remember one thing, once you pull the trigger, you can't get the bullet back and "sorry" doesn't cut it most times.
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In most instances brandishing a gun is enough to stop the criminal... without even firing a shot.
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In most instances brandishing a gun is enough to stop the criminal... without even firing a shot.
While that can be true, that should not be the plan going in
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Yes. Kinda...

Several years ago I had an apartment and a deranged man walked in on the first floor where there was a doctor's office. My apartment and 2 others were on the second and third floor. I heard a bang and a scream. I thought someone had dropped something on the first floor. I heard several more bangs and I wondered what was going on . The girl on the third floor came running downstairs and said there was a man in the house with a gun.

I grabbed my Smith and Wesson 357 revolver and wrapped it in a t shirt so it would not excite anyone and ran to my neighbors apt where the 3 of us huddled.
It was lunchtime (I was in college ) and all of us happened to be home at the same time.

The sicko had no reason to kill anyone, he was just mentally ill. 2 people were killed, 2 more were shot and he committed suicide with a pistol to his side.

I did not have to use it, but I was willing and ready if he had come upstairs with a gun. But he spared me with the trouble from his suicide.
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Some of the time, You can just fire a warning shot to scare him shitless.
You should never pull a gun on someone unless you plan to take their life, period.

But I agree with most on this forum, owning a gun is not for everyone. I carry one at work all the time and in my car if I ever find myself driving through a shady area (I've had to go into some abandoned houses in the slums when I was selling real estate). I hope I never have to use it, but its just like a seatbelt like someone else said, you put it on just in case you need it. I was actually just talking about this with one of the captains of the local Sheriff's department and he was saying how he recommends that everyone have some sort of firearm. (Obviously talking about responsible individuals) Hope this helps some!
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Car alarms should be illegal. I've never had to use one, so they must be pointless right?
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the only time you should use a gun to save your life is to kill the person that is threatening your life

if your life isn't threatened, you don't use a gun..... when it is threatened, you point and shoot
So you're telling me that if a BG comes into the house and points a gun at your child or spouse- you become a negotiator ?

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Some of the time, You can just fire a warning shot to scare him shitless.
Spoken like a true target. If you pull out a firearm "to fire a warning shot", you have become- in the BG's mind, as much of a threat as he is- if not larger. You have to know where you are pointing your weapon, how far the target is, what is beyond the target, the caliber bullet you're firing to avoid over-penetration, etc. You can be "firing warning shots" (such a horrible idea) and striking children, houses with families inside, cars, et al- and you're responsible for what happens. If you're going to draw, you better fvcking shoot the target!


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In most instances brandishing a gun is enough to stop the criminal... without even firing a shot.
Read above. Draw without intent to fire, get shot, and then he takes your gun and has X # of more shots to continue his rampage with.

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Yep, only pull (point) your weapon if you intend to kill.
While this may be internalized, it should not be claimed. If you shoot to kill, you are essentially a murderer. The accepted vernacular is "shoot to eliminate the threat". There is a thin line between maiming someone and stopping the threat, or annihilating someone, and stopping the threat. Don't "knee cap" them, because not only is that a very hard region of your target to hit (under stress, and movement), but the BG can still fire at you. Aim for center mass or pelvis. The largest targets on the body. Once you feel the threat is eliminated, you should stop shooting. That point is up to you .

That being said, I have a friend who had an intruder break into his house, he fired a 12ga shell to the BG's chest, and called the cops. The BG got convicted of B&E, got a sh;tload of medical attention, and then SUED my friend for unnecessary use of force (or something along those lines), AND WON . So the phrase "dead men tell no tales" has its place in these debates, but you just need to know your rights.

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So you're telling me that if a BG comes into the house and points a gun at your child or spouse- you become a negotiator ?



Spoken like a true target. If you pull out a firearm "to fire a warning shot", you have become- in the BG's mind, as much of a threat as he is- if not larger. You have to know where you are pointing your weapon, how far the target is, what is beyond the target, the caliber bullet you're firing to avoid over-penetration, etc. You can be "firing warning shots" (such a horrible idea) and striking children, houses with families inside, cars, et al- and you're responsible for what happens. If you're going to draw, you better fvcking shoot the target!




Read above. Draw without intent to fire, get shot, and then he takes your gun and has X # of more shots to continue his rampage with.


While this may be internalized, it should not be claimed. If you shoot to kill, you are essentially a murderer. The accepted vernacular is "shoot to eliminate the threat". There is a thin line between maiming someone and stopping the threat, or annihilating someone, and stopping the threat. Don't "knee cap" them, because not only is that a very hard region of your target to hit (under stress, and movement), but the BG can still fire at you. Aim for center mass or pelvis. The largest targets on the body. Once you feel the threat is eliminated, you should stop shooting. That point is up to you .

That being said, I have a friend who had an intruder break into his house, he fired a 12ga shell to the BG's chest, and called the cops. The BG got convicted of B&E, got a sh;tload of medical attention, and then SUED my friend for unnecessary use of force (or something along those lines), AND WON . So the phrase "dead men tell no tales" has its place in these debates, but you just need to know your rights.

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1. You don't need a reason to own a gun and you never need to justify it by asking people if it's ever saved a life...

2. Would you poll 10 people to see if a seatbelt ever had to be used and saved a life before putting it on yourself?

3. You shouldn't get caught up in anything other people think negatively about you owning a firearm. Most people, if not everyone that has an issue is just misinformed or uneducated in the matter.

Life is fragile, extremely fragile and the world is not a safe place no matter where you live, end of story.

I hope I NEVER need to use my firearm in defense, but if I do, I'm 100% prepared mentally and trained physically to do so.
you really gotta stop using that seatbelt stat as part of your gun debate

guns and seatbelt are way different

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Car alarms should be illegal. I've never had to use one, so they must be pointless right?
They pretty much are. They are annoying and nobody pays them any attention. Plus...are you going to get in the way of a robber breaking into someone's car?
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you really gotta stop using that seatbelt stat as part of your gun debate

guns and seatbelt are way different

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