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Old 04-15-2010, 05:37 PM   #481
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Anyone in St Louis on here that has taken there car in, where did you go??????

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I took mine to Plaza BMW this past Saturday. I didn't have a letter or anything. They called me later and said it was indeed cracked and they were sending it to be repaired. Must have been a pretty decent sized one too since they are replacing the entire subframe instead of the fix (epoxy + welding?) Was told it may take about a week, so we'll see.

No loaner though... i'm pretty sure they were reserved for customers who bought their vehicles from them.

Since i was there, i decided to test drive a 2007 3series sports coupe with a 6-speed ...needless to say, me likey
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Old 04-15-2010, 05:53 PM   #482
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I called Sun Motors BMW, gave them my VIN# and they said my 2001 325i is not covered.

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That sounds fishy to me. I don't know the details, but I just got my 2000 323 Touring checked for free at Weatherford BMW in Berkeley (no cracks btw)
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Old 04-15-2010, 07:11 PM   #483
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I just had mine checked. I just called and made an appointment, i dropped off my car and even got a complimentary loaner. No sub-frame damage for me - 2001 330i
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Old 04-21-2010, 06:05 PM   #484
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If I have aftermarket wheels and suspension can I take it to an indie shop to inspect and if needed have them fix it then I'll just send a claim to BMWNA? See any problems with doing it this way?
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Old 04-22-2010, 07:40 AM   #485
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So is the inspection for sub frame damage free? Can I get BMW to check it while the car is on the lift when I get my alignment in the next few weeks for no charge?
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Old 04-22-2010, 05:25 PM   #486
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Yes it's free if you have a E46 '99-06 model.

Just call them up and tell them you want your sub-frame looked at for cracks, rips, tears due to the E46 Class Action Settlement. If they don't know what the hell that is they are lying, but no matter just bring in the 15 page settlement document and you can highlight the sections about it being free.

If they try and charge you anything such as diagnostics it's also in the document and says BMW NA will within 60 days refund the money, but there should be no issues. Just say let's call BMW NA about this issue if they give you any B.S.

Mine was actually checked today and I was told there was no damage. I'll check for myself sometime before Sept just in case there are any issues and I'll photograph or record it to show them. Mine has over 180k miles, so either I'm lucky or I haven't driven it hard enough.

Here is what my Invoice says:
A Rear Sub-Frame Inspection
Cause: Requested
NT Warranty Time - To Be Booked
Parts: $0.00 - Labor: $0.00 - Other: $0 - Total Line A: $0.0.0
184146 Requested Inspection Completed.

At the bottom of page 4, all of page 5 and the top of page 6 it talks about everything relating to getting your car looked at and if need be repaired and getting reimbursed if you were somehow charged for an inspection.
http://www.e46subframeclassactionset.../bmwn1sett.pdf
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Old 04-22-2010, 07:39 PM   #487
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Thanks. I'll have them look mine over. Would it be worth it to get the Turner Motorsports reinforcement pieces that you weld in?
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Old 04-22-2010, 08:16 PM   #488
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To me it seems pretty pointless to get a "fix" which is what I call welds and reinforcement plates.
If the sub-frame is weak at certain points and those are "fixed", then you simply move the weak points to other areas of the sub-frame.
The problem is you don't know which points are going to be the weak ones on your car. I'm sure certain areas are more susceptible than others.
As a last resort you could do that, but I wouldn't waste my time and money.

The only true fix in my opinion is a complete new sub-frame. I'm sure BMW sees it as a different situation as they simply want to control their bottom line which.
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Old 04-23-2010, 07:00 AM   #489
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No entirely true. You spread the strength of the subframe and distribute the 'stretch' across a bigger and thicker surface.
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Old 04-23-2010, 04:13 PM   #490
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No entirely true. You spread the strength of the subframe and distribute the 'stretch' across a bigger and thicker surface.
That would only be true if you put large plates over the whole sub-frame which one you can't do and two would be insane to do so.

When you take a weak structure and support part of it, it simply moves to the next weakest point on the structure.

The bottom line is you simply delay the onset of a sub-frame failure to another section.

A "fix" in this case is not a solution, it's just that a temporary fix to a ongoing issue.
Don't let BMW tell you different.
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Old 04-23-2010, 07:29 PM   #491
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Well that's beside the point. Even if they replace it the issue is still there.....the new subframe isn't that much better.
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I had the subframe on my M3 replaced a couple years ago with a 3rd party automotive body shop. I also received a letter about this settlement, and was wondering if it is too late to submit the claims form to be reimbursed?
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Old 04-25-2010, 07:29 PM   #493
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I had the subframe on my M3 replaced a couple years ago with a 3rd party automotive body shop. I also received a letter about this settlement, and was wondering if it is too late to submit the claims form to be reimbursed?
Nope you have until Sept/Oct time frame. I'm not sure of the actual date but you are good to go if you have your receipts etc.
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Old 04-25-2010, 07:41 PM   #494
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That would only be true if you put large plates over the whole sub-frame which one you can't do and two would be insane to do so.

When you take a weak structure and support part of it, it simply moves to the next weakest point on the structure.

The bottom line is you simply delay the onset of a sub-frame failure to another section.

A "fix" in this case is not a solution, it's just that a temporary fix to a ongoing issue.
Don't let BMW tell you different.
I don't follow your logic, what do you think a new chassis pan does? Its the same, but thicker in the areas where it fail, hence moving the load from what was a weak area (thin as a result of stamping) to the strong areas. Welding in plates does the same thing. Or in the case of the simple BMW fix, its the same idea.

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so tim if my subframe fails in 2 years because i have an 04, what happens to me?
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I don't follow your logic, what do you think a new chassis pan does? Its the same, but thicker in the areas where it fail, hence moving the load from what was a weak area (thin as a result of stamping) to the strong areas. Welding in plates does the same thing. Or in the case of the simple BMW fix, its the same idea.

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I'm simply saying I would not settle for anything short of a new sub-frame.
Are the new sub-frames that some individuals are getting different from the originals? Does anyone even know?
The cheaper solution for BMW is the solution they will take unless the situation is so bad that a complete sub-frame is the only option.
If you are fine with someone welding in plates, then so be it, that's your opinion.
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so tim if my subframe fails in 2 years because i have an 04, what happens to me?
If your sub-frame fails after the settlement time frame which is somewhere between Sept-Oct then you are sh!t out of luck and the repairs are on you unless you have an extended warranty of some kind. Of course the same goes for anyone who is not under some sort of warranty.
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I'm simply saying I would not settle for anything short of a new sub-frame.
Are the new sub-frames that some individuals are getting different from the originals? Does anyone even know?
The cheaper solution for BMW is the solution they will take unless the situation is so bad that a complete sub-frame is the only option.
If you are fine with someone welding in plates, then so be it, that's your opinion.
You keep saying sub-frame, are you using that as a simple way to define the problem?

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BMW's theory, right or wrong is that if you sub-frame mounting hasn't failed yet it isn't going to.

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Nope you have until Sept/Oct time frame. I'm not sure of the actual date but you are good to go if you have your receipts etc.
Sweet, I actually keep all my automotive repair receipts in one big file. So all I do is complete the form that was mailed to me along with the repair bill?
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