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Old 06-03-2009, 07:43 PM   #1
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Exclamation HPF Turbo Kit Owners Please Read - Methanol Additive to Save your Pump!

Hey everyone,

A few of our customers have had their methanol pumps fail. This appears to be customer specific. (e.g. some customers "never" have a problem, some customers have the problem repeat itself over and over again). As a result, we believe this is related to the methanol that customers are using. Not all brands of methanol have the additives in them that protect the pump and seals. Since our turbo systems use 100% methanol instead of a 50-50 mix of meth and water, the pump needs this additive added to the methanol.

I recommend everyone that is running our stage 2 and above turbo systems to purchase the Redline Alcohol Fuel Lubricant. Please add 2 teaspoons of the Redline Lubricant with every 1.25 gallons you add to the HPF methanol tank. This will save your methanol pump. This is cheap insurance and one bottle will last a long long time.

You can buy it from us on the link below, or pick it up at your local automotive store.

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/part...hol_Fuel/15941

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Old 06-03-2009, 08:14 PM   #2
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Hey everyone,

A few of our customers have had their methanol pumps fail. This appears to be customer specific. (e.g. some customers "never" have a problem, some customers have the problem repeat itself over and over again). As a result, we believe this is related to the methanol that customers are using. Not all brands of methanol have the additives in them that protect the pump and seals. Since our turbo systems use 100% methanol instead of a 50-50 mix of meth and water, the pump needs this additive added to the methanol.

I recommend everyone that is running our stage 2 and above turbo systems to purchase the Redline Alcohol Fuel Lubricant. Please add 2 teaspoons of the Redline Lubricant with every 1.25 gallons you add to the HPF methanol tank. This will save your methanol pump. This is cheap insurance and one bottle will last a long long time.


You can buy it from us on the link below, or pick it up at your local automotive store.

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/part...hol_Fuel/15941

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Old 06-03-2009, 08:51 PM   #3
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FJO does not recommend that their pumps ever, under any circumstance use 100% methanol with anything short of a straight fuel pump. They claim that the soft seals in their pump will be quickly broken down by the corrosive nature of meth. Behind that seal is a sparking motor. They claim that they have tested some pumps with 100% meth and some fail, some dont, in the short term. You do run an FJO pump right?

....maybe this will do the trick
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Old 06-03-2009, 09:02 PM   #4
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thanks for the info

throw a couple bottles in my car also!!
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Old 06-04-2009, 12:28 PM   #5
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A little off-topic, but what methanol are the Stg II and above cars running? Has anybody been able to find the "best bang for the buck" or is everyone purchasing from Home Depot, etc. Thanks!
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Old 06-04-2009, 12:43 PM   #6
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FJO does not recommend that their pumps ever, under any circumstance use 100% methanol with anything short of a straight fuel pump. They claim that the soft seals in their pump will be quickly broken down by the corrosive nature of meth. Behind that seal is a sparking motor. They claim that they have tested some pumps with 100% meth and some fail, some dont, in the short term. You do run an FJO pump right?

....maybe this will do the trick
Yes, they learned this from us. Originally they said their pumps were 100% methanol compliant. We have never had a pump fail with the methanol that we use, so it was always odd to see a few select customers have problems with theirs. I've had methanol in my pump for 2 years now, and the seals are just fine. So we now believe it's because some methanol comes with additives, others don't. We tested this additive on My Tran's M3 when it made 1022rwhp. Works like a champ!

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Old 06-04-2009, 12:46 PM   #7
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Hey chris, for the owners whos pumps failed, what brand meth were they using? I am using VP racing and no problems so far but i will start using the redline additive from now on.

And btw the link to the redline stuff on your website, you spelled teaspoon wrong
Use 2 "teaspons" for every 1.25 gallons (full HPF methanol tank)
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Old 06-04-2009, 12:48 PM   #8
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A little off-topic, but what methanol are the Stg II and above cars running? Has anybody been able to find the "best bang for the buck" or is everyone purchasing from Home Depot, etc. Thanks!
i run vp racing meth and its $35 for a 5 gallon jug here in vegas
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Old 06-04-2009, 02:14 PM   #9
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i run vp racing meth and its $35 for a 5 gallon jug here in vegas
same here in florida...
What brand Meth do you get up there, Chris?
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same here in florida...
What brand Meth do you get up there, Chris?
would like to know also!
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Old 06-04-2009, 05:23 PM   #11
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I have not had a problem with my methanol pump leaking yet, just the fittings, the old white fittings. I will also start using the additive but for other ppls reference this is the methanol i use, its not as cheap as the VP meth but i believe it does have the additive. about 63.00 for 5gals.

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Old 06-04-2009, 05:32 PM   #12
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speaking of VP, i'm going to add my 2 cents in here also. i picked up a bottle of this today, VP M2 additive. . .it will do the same thing as the redline product but since i'm partial to VP products(call me a brand ***** if you like), and it was locally available i took it. we'll see if it works.

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Old 06-04-2009, 05:41 PM   #13
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speaking of VP, i'm going to add my 2 cents in here also. i picked up a bottle of this today, VP M2 additive. . .it will do the same thing as the redline product but since i'm partial to VP products(call me a brand ***** if you like), and it was locally available i took it. we'll see if it works.

Hey chris will this stuff work too? I mean since im using vp meth I would like to use vp additive, at least it makes more sense in my head anyways since they are made for each other
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this is from vp racing's site about the m2 additive:

Also available in a "candy" scent

" M2 UPPER LUBE "

M2 was specifically designed to solve the problem of extra engine wear associated with the use of alcohol fuels. M2 protects valves, guides, cylinder walls and aluminum fuel systems for methanol powered engines. It also has a special scavenger which wards off additional problems such as lead-fouled spark plugs. In short, M2 offers unique engine protection that pays for itself. M2 is the only fuel additive that adds to methanol engine life without subtracting from performance.
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Old 06-05-2009, 07:59 AM   #15
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Here is a question that may be off topic.....car shipped to me with meth in it from HPF.....I ran with meth for a little bit but the tank still had plenty of meth in it. A week later I checked it as I was about to race a 750cc bike (wasnt sure if I would need it or not) and the tank was bone dry. Possible I didnt screw the top on right and it evaporated? Or a leak somewhere? Anyone anything?
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Here is a question that may be off topic.....car shipped to me with meth in it from HPF.....I ran with meth for a little bit but the tank still had plenty of meth in it. A week later I checked it as I was about to race a 750cc bike (wasnt sure if I would need it or not) and the tank was bone dry. Possible I didnt screw the top on right and it evaporated? Or a leak somewhere? Anyone anything?
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ive been running that cheap stuff from lowes. de natured alcahol. seems to work fine. its like 10 bucks.
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Old 06-05-2009, 04:19 PM   #18
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ive been running that cheap stuff from lowes. de natured alcahol. seems to work fine. its like 10 bucks.

Theres 2 things wrong with the denatured alcohol:

1. its ALOT more expensive (actually $15 a gallon here in vegas compared to $7 for the real stuff)
2. HPF said it makes 25rwhp LESS than the real stuff.


but i guess it is readily available if you run out of the real stuff since you can get it at lowes or home depot.
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Old 06-05-2009, 05:39 PM   #19
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Here is a question that may be off topic.....car shipped to me with meth in it from HPF.....I ran with meth for a little bit but the tank still had plenty of meth in it. A week later I checked it as I was about to race a 750cc bike (wasnt sure if I would need it or not) and the tank was bone dry. Possible I didnt screw the top on right and it evaporated? Or a leak somewhere? Anyone anything?
That's most likely a leak. Check to see if you have the white methanol fittings or the gray ones. If you have the white ones, let us know and we'll send you the new gray ones. If you have the gray ones, look for any white residue on the lines. This will show you where the leak is. Then just remove the orange clip, press in the slider on the fitting and pull the line out. Look at the line for any wear and if necessary trim it back and push it back in securely. This will seal it up.

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Old 06-05-2009, 06:03 PM   #20
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Thanks Chris, I will let LutzPerformance know as my car will be in their showroom until I get home.
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