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Old 02-15-2013, 01:41 PM   #361
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Ohhhh! Now it makes sense. LOL!
still want to see the 230 x 5 deadlift? or 300 x 2
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Old 02-15-2013, 02:01 PM   #362
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still want to see the 230 x 5 deadlift? or 300 x 2
Both!
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Old 02-15-2013, 02:06 PM   #363
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Both!
haha thats pushing it, I'll see how it goes after the first filming

theres a couple guys I wouldn't mind asking
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Old 02-15-2013, 02:17 PM   #364
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Oh I thought Pendlay Rows and bent over barbell rows were pretty much the same thing?
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Old 02-15-2013, 02:25 PM   #365
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From what I understand (I'm new to pendlays) is that the main difference is with pendlays you row into the chest, bent over rows are into your waist (I was always told to row to where your belt buckle would normally be)

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When most people say BB row, without any other information, they're probably taking about an exercise that is similar or identical to a Yates row, where the upper body is 30-45 degrees from vertical.

There is some difference in muscles worked, but mostly they're the same. Yates/BB row probably works more upper traps. The main difference is that Pendlays are harder for any given weight because you're lifting directly against gravity (straight up) rather than at about a 45 degree angle when you yates row into your hips. Pendlay rows are much harder to cheat on as well. With yates, you can cheat by standing up straighter, and by using leg drive (moreso than pendlay).

You'll probably get more out of pendlay rows, unless you can do yates rows with strict form and stick to it. More people do yates rows, because you can load up a bunch of weight and look tough.

Importantly, Pendlay rows are harder on your lower back muscles, which could be a good or bad thing. If you're doing other exercises that work your lower back, you might want to do yates rows because it'll be easier to keep an arch in your back.

Personally, I only do yates rows because I lack the flexibility to bend over 90 degrees with an arched lower back, and I get a good enough lower back workout doing other exercises. I just make sure to keep my form strict so i'm not cheating.
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Old 02-15-2013, 02:42 PM   #366
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From what I understand (I'm new to pendlays) is that the main difference is with pendlays you row into the chest, bent over rows are into your waist (I was always told to row to where your belt buckle would normally be)

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Tomato....to-mah-to! I notice than when I do bentover rows using the underhand grip, the angle of travel seems to be directed more towards my hip; overhand grip more towards the chest. It just seems to be the natural path of travel.

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Old 02-15-2013, 02:52 PM   #367
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My body type allows me to achieve good ROM and not touch the floor either. Donald must have short legs.
I'm saying too stand on a platform so you can move the bar to your ankles with the weight going PASSED the floor. Lol your thinking backwards
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Old 02-15-2013, 03:03 PM   #368
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I'm saying too stand on a platform so you can move the bar to your ankles with the weight going PASSED the floor. Lol your thinking backwards
I stop at parallel. That is adequate enough a stretch for me. Bringing the bar to my ankles would produce horrible form.
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Old 02-15-2013, 03:09 PM   #369
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I stop at parallel. That is adequate enough a stretch for me. Bringing the bar to my ankles would produce horrible form.
Interesting. You must be either extremely tall. Or really inflexible. That or you keep your knees locked. Which is already horrible form
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Old 02-15-2013, 03:16 PM   #370
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Rear delts are the only muscle group I wouldn't be hitting with that routine using bent overs instead of pendlays (or at least much less), so that's pretty much my only reason for using them
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Old 02-15-2013, 03:23 PM   #371
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Interesting. You must be either extremely tall. Or really inflexible. That or you keep your knees locked. Which is already horrible form
I'm actually more flexible and have more body control and balance than anybody on this forum.....and that's just about a guarantee. My knees aren't locked; they are just shy of lock/slightly bent. Like this:




When his back is parallel, the bar is at his shins.....going to his ankles would produce horrible form.

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Old 02-15-2013, 03:25 PM   #372
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thats the exact video I watched when learning the proper form, and I mimic it to a T. Knees are slightly bent, and you bend forward at the hips keeping a straight back. Love the stretch in the hammies
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Wow. Interesting. I would feel no stretch if I stopped there. I go much lower and feel the stretch from glute to back of knee. I also have a pretty substantial hamstring hang in my opinion
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Old 02-15-2013, 03:51 PM   #374
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Wow. Interesting. I would feel no stretch if I stopped there. I go much lower and feel the stretch from glute to back of knee. I also have a pretty substantial hamstring hang in my opinion
I feel the stretch in the same way that you do without having to go beyond parallel. How tall are you? Pics of said hamstring hang.

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Old 02-15-2013, 04:06 PM   #375
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I'm about 5 11 and here is an old ass picture. But it's all I have available to me here at work is Facebook pics. So this is 2009
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Old 02-15-2013, 04:32 PM   #376
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I'm not squatted very low and this is 4 years ago. Post yours
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Old 02-15-2013, 06:26 PM   #377
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I'm not squatted very low and this is 4 years ago. Post yours
I don't know how to pose and I've never taken any hamstring specific pics. I suppose the pic below (..posted in another thread as well ) is probably the best that I have to illustrate hamstring size:

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I don't know how to pose and I've never taken any hamstring specific pics. I suppose the pic below (..posted in another thread as well ) is probably the best that I have to illustrate hamstring size:

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Old 02-15-2013, 07:02 PM   #379
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Here's the video. First rep wasn't very good but i think second is pretty legit?

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Here's the video. First rep wasn't very good but i think second is pretty legit?

I little rocking on the first rep but I think the second one was great. We can critique all day and in the end I think it would make your form worse. Keep it up man.
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