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Old 06-21-2009, 03:18 PM   #21
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Cold, those FN SCAR's are brand new. There have been so many companies trying to offer the next rifle for the military. The SCAR has been one of the few that have actually made it into the hands of select special forces units.

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Cold, those FN SCAR's are brand new. There have been so many companies trying to offer the next rifle for the military. The SCAR has been one of the few that have actually made it into the hands of select special forces units.



Silencers aren't illegal...you just have to have the proper tax stamp/licensing to have one. Flash suppresors are "standard"
In california they are. We also need a Bullet Button here so we can't use the normal mag release button, instead we use the tip of a bullet to release the magazine.
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Cold, those FN SCAR's are brand new. There have been so many companies trying to offer the next rifle for the military. The SCAR has been one of the few that have actually made it into the hands of select special forces units.



Silencers aren't illegal...you just have to have the proper tax stamp/licensing to have one. Flash suppresors are "standard"
You underestimate just how absurd our Cali gun laws are!
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If this is your first carbine then get the AR.

As your only rifle, the AR is the more practical choice. It's accurate, reliable, proven, easy to operate, fun to shoot and has a very well established after-market for spare parts and accessories. The AR's performance well exceeds the capabilities of most recreational shooters right out of the box.

The aftermarket parts base is very important even if you're not interested in modding the rifle. You're in California, a very anti-gun state. As a New Yorker, I share your pain. What you should consider is that if they ever manage to finish banning semi-auto rifles you will want to be able to keep your pre-ban weapons system running despite whatever new restrictions they may put in place. Usually, spare parts that were manufactured before the ban are legal to own and swap into a preban rifle. You will be good for decades with the AR. You may not be as fortunate if you go with the SOCOM II, a newer and slightly more exotic weapon system.

The guys in free states may laugh but it's something we have to consider. They may also laugh at the prices you posted but they are actually pretty spot on as "ban state prices" go. $1500 is about what we pay for off the shelf AR's here as well.

And for the record, Springfield Armory is a top quality firearms manufacturer with an outstanding reputation. I haven't had a chance to fire the SOCOM II but I'm sure it's an outstanding weapon. What I'm unsure of is why you are weighing this particular rifle against the AR. If you want .308 then why not get an AR10? You haven't really mentioned what you want to do with your carbine. It sounded like modding and home defense were scratched off the list. Did you choose the SOCOM II based on looks?

Why does the SOCOM II appeal to you as an alternative to the AR?
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Ack, I forgot to take your state's laws into effect. Absurd is an understatement.
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Instead of quoting everyone i'm just going to try to take a stab and answer them all in one post..

I'm honestly looking at the Socom II and AR 15 because I initially was set on buying a .308 AR15, but was advised by some including the gun store that the .308 bullet wasn't 'made for' the AR15. Alternatively, the Socom II was relatively easy to pick up at this store, so it got pushed into my choices. I haven't really read up on the AR10, but when researching on the AR 15, I didn't find too many reasons why I'd get an AR10.

Rush, How much do the Fn SCARs run and do you know if they are CA legal? Anyone else know? Also is there a significant advantage of why I'd get a SCAR instead of the choices above?
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Instead of quoting everyone i'm just going to try to take a stab and answer them all in one post..

I'm honestly looking at the Socom II and AR 15 because I initially was set on buying a .308 AR15, but was advised by some including the gun store that the .308 bullet wasn't 'made for' the AR15. Alternatively, the Socom II was relatively easy to pick up at this store, so it got pushed into my choices. I haven't really read up on the AR10, but when researching on the AR 15, I didn't find too many reasons why I'd get an AR10.
The AR platform is great. Anyone that says the 308 wasn't made for the AR platform is either an idiot or doesn't have an AR10 to sell you and instead has an AR15 and an M1A. Well technically the AR wasn't made for the 308, but it wasn't made for the 556 either. The system is proven to work on many different caliber's well. The US military uses versions of the AR that fire both 556 and 762 (308). The AR10 is a great option.

And being on the topic of AR Variants...at one point I owned 4 AR's in 556/223. I now own only one, and it's a 6.8SPC caliber. Like I said before I don't really like the 556/223 round. It doesn't fit for what I want in a gun. I want a gun I can use for self defense, hunt with, shoot long distance with, and just take to the range for fun. Unless I'm hunting varmints, or shooting inside 200 yards...the 223/556 doesn't really fit the bill. I LOVE my 6.8 AR, I can reach out to 3-400 yards...I can hunt anything I would actually be able to hunt (medium sized deer and smaller), it was designed as a replacement for the 556 round with more energy and damage potential, though it wasn't officially adopted, so it covers the self defense criteria. It's a little more expensive to plink with but there are some more reasonable ammo options coming about.

Anyway the point is the system is proven...what caliber you're shooting doesn't matter, the system works equally well on all calibers that the AR platform is made for.

If you like the AR platform go to www.ar15.com they have a great community and it's a great informative site for everything (including the M1A under the "Armory" section)
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Instead of quoting everyone i'm just going to try to take a stab and answer them all in one post..

I'm honestly looking at the Socom II and AR 15 because I initially was set on buying a .308 AR15, but was advised by some including the gun store that the .308 bullet wasn't 'made for' the AR15. Alternatively, the Socom II was relatively easy to pick up at this store, so it got pushed into my choices. I haven't really read up on the AR10, but when researching on the AR 15, I didn't find too many reasons why I'd get an AR10.

Rush, How much do the Fn SCARs run and do you know if they are CA legal? Anyone else know? Also is there a significant advantage of why I'd get a SCAR instead of the choices above?

I really didn't want to get into the reasoning of why I want either of rifles. But lest to say, it is mainly to have a fun gun to take to the range and to have a strong enough weapon if s hit were to ever hit the fan. I know it's slim, but you never know and might as well pick up a hobby that can save your life one day.
From what I've seen, those SCARS are running around 2-2.5K. They're also pretty hard to find. For that much money you are gonna get a KICKASS AR though.
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I'm so confused now.

So can someone please put out a pro/con list of the: AR10, AR15, Socom II and FN SCAR?
I don't want to sink money into two rifles at this point.
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If this is your first carbine then get the AR.

As your only rifle, the AR is the more practical choice. It's accurate, reliable, proven, easy to operate, fun to shoot and has a very well established after-market for spare parts and accessories. The AR's performance well exceeds the capabilities of most recreational shooters right out of the box.

The aftermarket parts base is very important even if you're not interested in modding the rifle. You're in California, a very anti-gun state. As a New Yorker, I share your pain. What you should consider is that if they ever manage to finish banning semi-auto rifles you will want to be able to keep your pre-ban weapons system running despite whatever new restrictions they may put in place. Usually, spare parts that were manufactured before the ban are legal to own and swap into a preban rifle. You will be good for decades with the AR. You may not be as fortunate if you go with the SOCOM II, a newer and slightly more exotic weapon system.

The guys in free states may laugh but it's something we have to consider. They may also laugh at the prices you posted but they are actually pretty spot on as "ban state prices" go. $1500 is about what we pay for off the shelf AR's here as well.

And for the record, Springfield Armory is a top quality firearms manufacturer with an outstanding reputation. I haven't had a chance to fire the SOCOM II but I'm sure it's an outstanding weapon. What I'm unsure of is why you are weighing this particular rifle against the AR. If you want .308 then why not get an AR10? You haven't really mentioned what you want to do with your carbine. It sounded like modding and home defense were scratched off the list. Did you choose the SOCOM II based on looks?

Why does the SOCOM II appeal to you as an alternative to the AR?
Not to threadjack, but could you tell me what the current law is in NY about ARs? I've been searching around and some sites tell me the ban is in effect, some say it doesnt take effect til january, and I don't know what's restricted. I know high-cap mags made after '94 are illegal, but as far as the actual firearm, I don't know what teh deal is.


OP, get the AR. I've always wanted a .308 but I got the AR first because of its practicality and flexibility.
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I'm so confused now.

So can someone please put out a pro/con list of the: AR10, AR15, Socom II and FN SCAR?
I don't want to sink money into two rifles at this point.
The Socom II is the only one you will be able to own in California without having to neuter/lock the mag release.
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The Socom II is the only one you will be able to own in California without having to neuter/lock the mag release.
Good to know.. any other pros and cons?

Bump for the weekday work crew.
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bump yet again... I want to decide sometime soon... Need more info/opinions.
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The Socom II is the only one you will be able to own in California without having to neuter/lock the mag release.
I'll let you Cali guys give him the advice. I have no idea how bad your gun laws go...
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Good to know.. any other pros and cons?

Bump for the weekday work crew.
Longer range.

Heavier/harder hitting rounds.

If you have pre-ban mags for it, you can use them (20-25 round)
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I'll let you Cali guys give him the advice. I have no idea how bad your gun laws go...
Yea we are pretty much up sh!ts creek here with the gun laws.

That's why I just try to acquire legal stuff and stockpile mags/ammo.

1 x USP .40sw with 12 mags

1 x USP .45 Custom Combat with 10 mags

1 x Benelli M1 Super 90 tactical with extension tube

3 x AR-15s Cali-Compliant..but ready for SHTF mode

mucho rounds for each in my closet.
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Longer range.

Heavier/harder hitting rounds.

If you have pre-ban mags for it, you can use them (20-25 round)
Do I get the Hobbes stamp of approval for the socom vs the other guns?
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Do I get the Hobbes stamp of approval for the socom vs the other guns?

I'd rock the SOCOM for sure.

If you've got the cash, get it, and get a ton of mags for it.

You can always pick up an AR15 lower receiver (which is technically the "gun" for legal purposes) for around $150-200, and then build it up later.
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I'd rock the SOCOM for sure.

If you've got the cash, get it, and get a ton of mags for it.

You can always pick up an AR15 lower receiver (which is technically the "gun" for legal purposes) for around $150-200, and then build it up later.
Nice man.. that's what I hear esp from an AR owner. That's really good advice about the lower, I didn't know that was the case.

Now I'm pretty sure on the Socom II.... someone convince me otherwise.
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