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Old 10-11-2016, 10:49 AM   #1
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Skeet shotgun recommendations

Looking at purchasing my fist skeet/trap shotgun and need some suggestions for automatics or over/under in a 20 gauge. Will consider 12 gauge as well but prefer 20 so my 11 year old can use it as well.
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What is your budget for this kind of thing? I imagine not too crazy so perhaps a Remington 1100 is a good place to start to teach fundamentals etc.
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I love my Valmet 412s for skeet/trap, but it's a 12g. On the upside, it has two sets of barrels.....one is 12g/12g and the other is 12g/.223 (shorter barrel). The kick isn't too bad.

Edit: You can find them for sub-1k.
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Looking to keep it under 1k this time or I would purchase a Winchester 101 but thats way out of my budget.

Anyone familiar with Yildiz shotguns made in Turkey? Academy sells them for 400ish.

Remington 1100 is very nice!
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I don't know if you are much of a hunter at all, because a modified hunting shotgun will do both hunting and trap/skeet well. If you just want exclusive trap/skeet, buying a dedicated shotgun will yield the best results. The thing you have to take into account is the size of your 11 year od. You can generally get them behind an adult shotgun, but they're going to have problems with it more than if they were to have a properly sized shotgun. Many shotguns now have spacers to adjust length of pull (LOP), and the specialized trap guns will have adjustable stocks.

As far as 12ga vs 20ga, you're going to find that most semi-automatic trap guns come in 12ga. The over/under guns will have ore variety for gauge. That said, most 12ga trap loads are very light shooting and have a minimum dram, so they won't kick hard for an 11yo.

Also, it really is going to depend on how much you want to spend. It gets insanely expensive as you get to the higher levels of over/under shotguns. Semi-autos tend to be a more static in the $1k-$2k range.

For Semi-Auto, I'm a huge Benelli fan, but you have a number of good options:
Benelli Ethos
Benelli Legacy Sport
Benelli Sport II
Benelli SuperSport
Benelli Performance Shop SuperSport
Benelli Performance Shop Cordoba
Beretta A400 XCEL
Beretta A400 XCEL Multitarget
Browning Maxus Sporting
Browning Maxus Sporting Golden Clays
Browning Maxus Sporting Carbon Fiber
Winchester Super X3 (SX3) Ultimate Sporting Adjustable
Winchester SX3 Composite Sporting Carbon Fiber
Winchester SX3 Composite Sporting


Over/Under:
Beretta 690 Sporting Black
Beretta 692 Sporting Black
Beretta 692
Browning Citori XT
Browning Citori 725
Browning Cynergy Sporting
FN SC1
Winchester 101 Pigeon Trap
Custom options galore


Having said all that, if you want to keep expenses down, invest in a pump-action for now. Pretty much all pump shotguns are under $1k. There are very few over/under shotguns under $1k that can withstand the constant pounding of trap/skeet, and even fewer semi-autos in that price range that'll actually function reliably.

I would avoid Remington 1100 and 11-87. Remington's quality control is in the gutter. I also have family members with those shotguns and they're constantly blowing O-rings.
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I don't know if you are much of a hunter at all, because a modified hunting shotgun will do both hunting and trap/skeet well. If you just want exclusive trap/skeet, buying a dedicated shotgun will yield the best results. The thing you have to take into account is the size of your 11 year od. You can generally get them behind an adult shotgun, but they're going to have problems with it more than if they were to have a properly sized shotgun. Many shotguns now have spacers to adjust length of pull (LOP), and the specialized trap guns will have adjustable stocks.

As far as 12ga vs 20ga, you're going to find that most semi-automatic trap guns come in 12ga. The over/under guns will have ore variety for gauge. That said, most 12ga trap loads are very light shooting and have a minimum dram, so they won't kick hard for an 11yo.

Also, it really is going to depend on how much you want to spend. It gets insanely expensive as you get to the higher levels of over/under shotguns. Semi-autos tend to be a more static in the $1k-$2k range.

For Semi-Auto, I'm a huge Benelli fan, but you have a number of good options:
Benelli Ethos
Benelli Legacy Sport
Benelli Sport II
Benelli SuperSport
Benelli Performance Shop SuperSport
Benelli Performance Shop Cordoba
Beretta A400 XCEL
Beretta A400 XCEL Multitarget
Browning Maxus Sporting
Browning Maxus Sporting Golden Clays
Browning Maxus Sporting Carbon Fiber
Winchester Super X3 (SX3) Ultimate Sporting Adjustable
Winchester SX3 Composite Sporting Carbon Fiber
Winchester SX3 Composite Sporting


Over/Under:
Beretta 690 Sporting Black
Beretta 692 Sporting Black
Beretta 692
Browning Citori XT
Browning Citori 725
Browning Cynergy Sporting
FN SC1
Winchester 101 Pigeon Trap
Custom options galore


Having said all that, if you want to keep expenses down, invest in a pump-action for now. Pretty much all pump shotguns are under $1k. There are very few over/under shotguns under $1k that can withstand the constant pounding of trap/skeet, and even fewer semi-autos in that price range that'll actually function reliably.

I would avoid Remington 1100 and 11-87. Remington's quality control is in the gutter. I also have family members with those shotguns and they're constantly blowing O-rings.
Awesome thanks! Now I have some homework to do!
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Looking to keep it under 1k this time or I would purchase a Winchester 101 but thats way out of my budget.

Anyone familiar with Yildiz shotguns made in Turkey? Academy sells them for 400ish.
If you're at $1k, I would recommend you avoid an over/under if you buy new.
The Turkish O/U's are ok, but generally they're not very durable -- over time, you may get slop in the action, firing pins giving light strikes etc.
But if all you want is a starter shotgun to replace later, they might be fine for that.

You will probably need to spend at least $2k for a new O/U. The higher entry fee is for the precision fit needed of all the components, yet being durable to shoot thousands and thousands of shells.

I would say go for an autoloader. That Winchester SX3 that Reedo mentioned is probably one of the best price/performance autos out there.
Another one might be the Beretta A300, which a shooting buddy has and likes a lot. They go on sale every once in a while at Dicks for around $600.
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I don't know if you are much of a hunter at all, because a modified hunting shotgun will do both hunting and trap/skeet well. If you just want exclusive trap/skeet, buying a dedicated shotgun will yield the best results. The thing you have to take into account is the size of your 11 year od. You can generally get them behind an adult shotgun, but they're going to have problems with it more than if they were to have a properly sized shotgun. Many shotguns now have spacers to adjust length of pull (LOP), and the specialized trap guns will have adjustable stocks.

As far as 12ga vs 20ga, you're going to find that most semi-automatic trap guns come in 12ga. The over/under guns will have ore variety for gauge. That said, most 12ga trap loads are very light shooting and have a minimum dram, so they won't kick hard for an 11yo.

Also, it really is going to depend on how much you want to spend. It gets insanely expensive as you get to the higher levels of over/under shotguns. Semi-autos tend to be a more static in the $1k-$2k range.

For Semi-Auto, I'm a huge Benelli fan, but you have a number of good options:
Benelli Ethos
Benelli Legacy Sport
Benelli Sport II
Benelli SuperSport
Benelli Performance Shop SuperSport
Benelli Performance Shop Cordoba
Beretta A400 XCEL
Beretta A400 XCEL Multitarget
Browning Maxus Sporting
Browning Maxus Sporting Golden Clays
Browning Maxus Sporting Carbon Fiber
Winchester Super X3 (SX3) Ultimate Sporting Adjustable
Winchester SX3 Composite Sporting Carbon Fiber
Winchester SX3 Composite Sporting


Over/Under:
Beretta 690 Sporting Black
Beretta 692 Sporting Black
Beretta 692
Browning Citori XT
Browning Citori 725
Browning Cynergy Sporting
FN SC1
Winchester 101 Pigeon Trap
Custom options galore


Having said all that, if you want to keep expenses down, invest in a pump-action for now. Pretty much all pump shotguns are under $1k. There are very few over/under shotguns under $1k that can withstand the constant pounding of trap/skeet, and even fewer semi-autos in that price range that'll actually function reliably.

I would avoid Remington 1100 and 11-87. Remington's quality control is in the gutter. I also have family members with those shotguns and they're constantly blowing O-rings.
Binelli Cordoba owner here. Love it. Awesome do it all shotgun.
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So I got a Beretta A400 20 gauge. So far im VERY happy with the decision and enjoyed a great weekend of clay shooting. Very lightweight, tolerable kick, and overall well engineered.

Thanks for all the suggestions!
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Great choice! Those shotguns are very reliable and great shooters. Post up some pics.
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