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Old 10-06-2009, 03:56 PM   #21
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Not the castor but camber, Since the Mason race bar is one piece i dont have any room to move the camber plate studs to gain more neg camber.
I have the same strut bar and GC camber plates, the hole in the strut tower is my limiting factor for camber and caster. Sounds like the vorshlag camber plates don't have enough camber adjustability since the mason bars tend to be a touch long.
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Old 10-06-2009, 10:13 PM   #22
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I would like to apologize to everyone here. I thought that the original poster was looking for a set of wheels to mount a set of cost effective tires on them to do some track days. I thought that a set of decent 17X9's and tires that cost $25/ea would make for a great setup for someone to go out an hone their skills and become a better driver without breaking the bank on a consumable.

On the other hand, I spent $900/wheel and that does seem a bit crazy (especially when I own 16 of them per car).
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Old 10-07-2009, 05:25 AM   #23
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Our cars need all the tire we can afford. I seen a 330i with 305's Hoosiers square. I typically run 245/40/17 on a 17x8.5". I would like to get 255's on a 17x9" for next year. 265's tires are rare for 17" wheels.

I would get 265/35/18 on a 18x9" if you can afford it.
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Old 10-07-2009, 10:52 AM   #24
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I have the same strut bar and GC camber plates, the hole in the strut tower is my limiting factor for camber and caster. Sounds like the vorshlag camber plates don't have enough camber adjustability since the mason bars tend to be a touch long.

The Vorshlags still have alot more room, I just need the shock shaft to be dead center in the middle so i can take full advantage of the camber. Hope moving down the castor takes care of it. I drove down to John Mason place to have it fitted onto the car when i first got it, he said he made the bar off a M3, so that may be why its a bit long.
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Old 12-10-2009, 04:11 PM   #25
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Hello all. Sorry I didn't check back in earlier! Ok so I've modded my 328 with

AST 4100s
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18X9" LTW wheels and 255X35X18s RE-11s all the way around
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Since then I've had 3 track events (4 days) and have been moved to Blue Solo (man am I hoooked!!) I'm back at Texas World Speedway this Saturday and Sunday .

I purchased a 2004 M3 with low miles this past weekend and as expected I'll be moving as much as I can to the M3. I've already moved the wheels and tires over. I was a bit shocked at how much more ROOM I have particularly in the rear!

So question.. what would you recommend now for wheel and tire sizes for an E46 M3? . I don't mind rolling the inner fenders but I don't want to roll so harshly as to potentially damage the paint. Ideally I would like a square setup but 255 in the rear looks small! I took off the M3 wheels which had 275 in the rear and 245 in the front to put my square 255 setup on.

Thanks for any advice!
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Old 12-10-2009, 05:37 PM   #26
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I may be interested in buying your 18x9s depending on price.
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Old 12-16-2009, 09:56 AM   #27
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I may be interested in buying your 18x9s depending on price.
I hadn't given it much thought yet. I was thinking the tires have 4 track days on them and are 3 months old. They are probably worth more to me than they are to you (meaning i have half tread left and you likely won't want to pay for that). I was thinking of holding on to them for another month or two to get the rest of the life out of the tires then putting them up. I figure the wheels alone are worth 70% of list so around $820. That would not include delivery. Yikes that stings a little since with taxes tires and shipping I just spent right near $2500 a few months ago!
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Old 12-16-2009, 01:30 PM   #28
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Any pics of the m3?

Since you already have 18x9s, I would just get 18x10 for the rear with 275 or 285 tires.
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Any pics of the m3?

Since you already have 18x9s, I would just get 18x10 for the rear with 275 or 285 tires.
Their 18x10" wheel is a mid 40's offset wheel, you would need a 20mm spacer which would add to the cost and weight, while still being a staggered setup.

The ARC-8 wheel will be in stock in January.

18x9" et42
18x9.5" et35
18x10" et25

The 9" wheel is basically the same, and not ideal for M cars. the 9.5" et35 wheel is the most commonly used on the M3 in a square setup as you can run 265 front and rear and rotate them. you just need a small spacer in the rear. Or the 18x10" wheel was spec'ed specifically for the E46 M3 with the proper offset and can take 275's and up. This wheel can also be run in the front, no spacers needed. you just need negative camber to tuck it under the fender.

the 9.5" setup with 265's is the easiest by far.

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with your suspension and camber plates, you could make an 18x10 square setup work with 275's front and rear. or 285/30's

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Old 12-18-2009, 06:52 AM   #30
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With the camber plates, you can probably run 275 all the way around on an M3... look for threads by Obioban. I think he was running 4 x OEM 18s with 275s all around. Obviously, 4x OEM rears weigh a ton, but that should give you an idea of what can fit. I think I've heard of guys running 285s square as well, but not sure if they rolled fenders.
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Old 12-18-2009, 12:38 PM   #31
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285/30/18's are used by a lot of E46 owners in a square setup, it a bit tougher to fit. Fits fine in the rear. And even with lots of camber the front will always protrude a bit. It's not a big issue though. you just need a stiff suspension, and lots of camber, and a bit of a front roll.
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Thanks for the notes fellas. So your saying I'll need to run camber all the time in the front if I go with 285s? Do you think I'll need camber with 275s up front? I plan to run with no real camber for normal street driving. I'll only camber out when I get the car to the track. If I run with 275s would I be best off running the 18X10 or the 18X9.5?

Thanks again for all the advice and the link to the APEX wheels. I've also considered them. I still like the D-Force wheels quite a bit as well. It'll be a hard choice for me.

Here is a link to my M3 running at Texas World Speedway last weekend. I'm anxious to get the AST 4100s, sway bars and camber plates in the car. It'll keep me busy over the holidays.

http://cafephoto.smugmug.com/TWS-Per...40662288_T9ejd
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Old 12-20-2009, 02:32 PM   #33
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Thanks for the notes fellas. So your saying I'll need to run camber all the time in the front if I go with 285s? Do you think I'll need camber with 275s up front? I plan to run with no real camber for normal street driving. I'll only camber out when I get the car to the track. If I run with 275s would I be best off running the 18X10 or the 18X9.5?

Thanks again for all the advice and the link to the APEX wheels. I've also considered them. I still like the D-Force wheels quite a bit as well. It'll be a hard choice for me.

Here is a link to my M3 running at Texas World Speedway last weekend. I'm anxious to get the AST 4100s, sway bars and camber plates in the car. It'll keep me busy over the holidays.

http://cafephoto.smugmug.com/TWS-Per...40662288_T9ejd
Yes you would need 3 degrees + camber to get wide tires on, probably close to 4 to get 275 r-compounds on the front of the car. There is nothing wrong with negative camber even on a street driven car. It hardly messes with tire wear if you have zero toe, and you can rotate a square setup so that it gets much more even ware.

You could also move your plates from street to track mode as you mentioned, but if you dial the camber out on the street, you'll have to run a tire size much closer to stock while on the street, and use the wide tires at the track only. This may have been your plan already.

The ARC-8 wheels is rated over 700kgs for load rating. The required minimum for street by VIA standards is 690kgs. The ltw-5 is "recommended for track use" due to it's 635kgs load rating. So the ARC-8 makes for a better dual duty wheel.

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Just to revive this thread, how the heck are you guys fitting 255's up front? I gave it a try with my rear wheels 18x8.5 et 37 and it wouldnt clear the shock
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Wouldn't clear the shock? Maybe try a 5mm spacer?

Even stock ZHP wheels & springs should fit 255's. What tire are you using? The Yok AD08 and Dunlop Star Spec run wide for their 255 rating, but they should fit.

A key to fitting 265's is using 60mm springs, with the perch higher on the strut than the wheel, and at least 3 degrees of negative camber.

I run 265's on an 18x9 ET45 with a 5mm spacer, and it barely clears the strut. I have some space under the fender, so I plan to try a 10mm spacer next.
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Old 02-18-2010, 11:20 AM   #36
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Apex ARC-8 17x9 et42. 255/40/17 Nitto NT05. NO spacer





To be safe i will use a 5mm spacer.
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For those with 17" wheels, Dunlop is introducing a cool new tire size. 265/40-17, fits nice on e46s.

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I saw that and it is only about $10 more IIRC. But I think I am going to stick with the 255s.

BTW, www.discounttires.com has 255/40R17 Nitto NT05s for $128 ea.

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I saw that and it is only about $10 more IIRC. But I think I am going to stick with the 255s.

BTW, www.discounttires.com has 255/40R17 Nitto NT05s for $128 ea.
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Old 02-20-2010, 07:59 AM   #40
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You're going to fall in love with that tire...
Actually going to stick with the Dunlop Z1 SS's. $35 more but it seeems that the consensus is that they last longer than the NT05s.
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