Joe Legal v. Jose Illegal

Originally Posted by ghorn

If an uneducated dude who barely speaks English can "take" your job, perhaps illegal immigration isn't our biggest problem

+1

Biiiingo.



Honestly ghorn, I think the whole thing is a racist issue. Its just easier to hate on the little brown guy cleaning up after your mess at Applebee's because he can't speak the language or looks a little funny.

Originally Posted by DME46

+1

Biiiingo.



Honestly ghorn, I think the whole thing is a racist issue. Its just easier to hate on the little brown guy cleaning up after your mess at Applebee's because he can't speak the language or looks a little funny.

Be reasonable man. These illegals are being exploited while simultaneously minimizing employment opportunities for legitimate citizens.

Originally Posted by M3Inline6

FWIW....

....Before switching government careers, I was employed with the County of San Bernardino (..along with neo 328ci...R.I.P.). I worked for the Tax Assessor Dick Larsen, and was privy to all sorts of county-wide financial information. For those of you who believe that illegals do not receive benefits, you are wrong. For those of you who argue that illegals aren't as big of a drain as society makes it seem, you are wrong! The amount of money that my county writes-off at the end of the year - just for unpaid medical bills associated with illegal alien hospital costs - is ENORMOUS. I'm surprised that Arrowhead Regional Medical Center is still operational (..thank God for the abundance of working Americans that we sue, levy bank accounts, lien/possess assets, etc. on an annual basis to help shave some of the red....{sarcasm interlaced with truth}). I could get into specifics, but I'd rather not (...I've done it in the past; do a search if you want more information). My point is that illegals receive much more than what is alluded to in this thread.

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Good point!


I won't even expound on a peace officers' diminished rights of enforcement. Bullsh1t!





An illegal resident is an illegal resident as far as I'm concerned. The country of origin is irrelevant. The primary reason why Mexican's are usually under the microscope is due to the relatively easy ingress into our country. The Chinese, Brazilians, etc. can't easily enter our country in the same fashion that Mexicans can.




Calm down bro! The large majority of the forum aren't willing to mow a lawn aside from our own, or serve burgers at minimum wage because we are qualified to perform other technical duties. Conversely, I feel that it is safe to assume that if any of us were unemployed for a significant amount of time beyond unemployment benefits, and were unable to find a specifically classified position, I'd wager that the option to flip a burger for a paycheck would prevail over pride (..and ultimately starvation).

I completely agree it just bothers me when people always refer to illegals as hispanics being the only ones. Yes they can get in easier but they're not the only ones who get in. My uncle works the ports and has found containers filled with illegals, guess where they didnt come from (Mexico, Puerto Rico, cuba, South America) wheres the media for them? wheres their attention? Ive been to to many places where there is an abundance of other races that are illegal. Living in SB county however, can say that they are in abundance over here and some suck the funds right out of everything. They can and give us a bad name here, that said not all are that way... valid points you make tho and RIP to Andy.

EDIT: one more thing. "The Chinese, Brazilians, etc. can't easily enter our country in the same fashion that Mexicans can. " this quote is so untrue. a friends friend works the border and tells me how cartels smuggle other races as well as hispanics through their elaborate underground tunnels. not only that but also through the very obvious Mexican border. They fly or go through sea over there to Mexico and come through. Of course there is more Mexicans coming through there but the'yre not the only ones. An illegal is an illegal race aside.

Originally Posted by DME46

+1

Biiiingo.

Honestly ghorn, I think the whole thing is a racist issue. Its just easier to hate on the little brown guy cleaning up after your mess at Applebee's because he can't speak the language or looks a little funny.

While I definitely agree in part, I do think it's hard to paint this issue with such a broad brush. That is, I think there is a racial component to the immigration issue, but I think it's safe to say that there are other contributing factors as well. Xenophobia in general is alive and well.

Originally Posted by M3Inline6

Be reasonable man. These illegals are being exploited while simultaneously minimizing employment opportunities for legitimate citizens.

Jajaja... si si, yo se primo... estoy jugando con estos gringos culeados.

Originally Posted by DME46

Jajaja... si si, yo se primo... estoy jugando con estos gringos culeados.

Ta' bom! Voce parece mais serio meu amigo, mas te agradecer para contribuir neste assunto.

Valeu....

Originally Posted by M3Inline6

Be reasonable man. These illegals are being exploited while simultaneously minimizing employment opportunities for legitimate citizens.

wtf



They do jerrrbs that citizens do not want to do! They really aren't "teekin err jerrbs" if nobody wants the said "jerrbs" in the first place!

Originally Posted by firefirefire90

wtf



They do jerrrbs that citizens do not want to do! They really aren't "teekin err jerrbs" if nobody wants the said "jerrbs" in the first place!

Are you going to contribute in a mature fashion or continue to act like a 10 year old?


How much experience do you have with dealing with long lines of unemployed Americans? How much time have you spent surveying local employment firms (..i.e..temp agencies, etc.)?

Originally Posted by M3Inline6

Are you going to contribute in a mature fashion, or continue to act like a 10 year old?


How much experience do you have with dealing with long lines of unemployed Americans? How much time have you spent surveying local employment firms (..i.e..temp agencies, etc.)?

how about we be a group of mature old farts and be cranky? I don't tell you how to be Brazilian, so don't tell me how to act in a mature or immature way.


For the four months that I was unemployed, I literally applied for a job every day. Every Damn day. I went to a few temp agencies, got a few hits, but nothing who would take me on long term. I know there are people out there looking for work. I have dealt with unemployed Americans at the court house trying to tell the judges that they cannot pay tickets because they are out of work. I know I could have gotten a job if I applied at a McDonalds, Hardies(jack in the Box), or wherever.. but I didn't. I thought it was above me, and I know that is how many Americans feel and I know many Americans whom I have spoken too feel the same way. We do not account for all American citizens out of work, but I know it must be a large majority.

Originally Posted by DME46

First of all... that is a racist ass e-mail. Not all illegal and legal immigrants are Hispanic and not all Hispanics are Mexican.



I am FIRST generation American and Hispanic and I do not support illegal immigration. My parents came here, with nothing, legally. They paid and continue to pay their taxes.


While I respect every hard working illegal immigrant for trying to make money for their families here in the US or back home... they are doing so ILLEGALLY. Period. The business owners and people trying to cut back on labor costs are what drive the huge amount of illegal immigrants that are willing to work.


The immigration process needs to be faster and more efficient... it needs to be easier for immigrants to come here, work, and pay taxes to to contribute back to the economy they are taking money from.

And I don't want to hear "immigrants are taking our jobs." Immigration is what started this fvcking country, and the reason we became the greatest and most culturally and racially diversified nation on the planet. And I know half of you lazy fvcks wouldn't dare mow a lawn or serve burgers for minimum wage, so unless you are willing to step up and do some actual labor, shut the fvck up.

thank you sir

we should send all these mexicans back to africa

Originally Posted by firefirefire90

how about we be a group of mature old farts and be cranky? I don't tell you how to be Brazilian, so don't tell me how to act in a mature or immature way.


For the four months that I was unemployed, I literally applied for a job every day. Every Damn day. I went to a few temp agencies, got a few hits, but nothing who would take me on long term. I know there are people out there looking for work. I have dealt with unemployed Americans at the court house trying to tell the judges that they cannot pay tickets because they are out of work. I know I could have gotten a job if I applied at a McDonalds, Hardies(jack in the Box), or wherever.. but I didn't. I thought it was above me, and I know that is how many Americans feel and I know many Americans whom I have spoken too feel the same way. We do not account for all American citizens out of work, but I know it must be a large majority.

I'm not Brazilian (..I'm just deeply involved in their culture)! I'm just a Southern California born African American male who grew up in South Central Los Angeles, and who was fortunate to make some positive life/lifestyle decisions.


My local fast food restaurants aren't hiring, and many are closing their doors (..lesser known franchises). I just don't feel that it's fair to assume that every out-of-work American is lazy, and hasn't invested the time to apply for jobs.

Originally Posted by M3Inline6

I'm not Brazilian!


My local fast food restaurants aren't hiring, and many are closing their doors (..lesser known franchises). I just don't feel that it's fair to assume that every out-of-work American is lazy, and hasn't invested the time to apply for jobs.

oops, just sort of assumed... but I guess one should never assume. Well, all the ones down here are hiring. Same with Ralphs, Vons, Costco, Albertsons...

Originally Posted by wrighterjw10

lol typical uneducated "i'm scared of obama and buy into all the sh!t uneducated ppl say" email

Yeah, let's all run and buy guns before Obama makes them illegal too... My 15 year old nephew that doesn't know jack sh|t about politics is on the Obama hate bandwagon without any real knowledge about anything just cause his parents (my sister, brother in law) feel that way too. People are quick to hate on the new guy and are quick to forget how fvcked the previous one made it, it happens every eight (or four) years. Plus most of you fvckers wouldn't even want to be caught dead doing most of the sh|t they do, because you're 'above' that type of work right? A lot of people are saying they can't find jobs but that's because they won't settle for less, if you're desperate enough you'll take whatever job is offered to you. I love how for a long time now people have been complaining about illegals taking 'our' jobs but guess what? They were never your jobs to begin with becuase you never wanted to do them. And why the fvck does an illegal always have to be Mexican? Illegal people come from allover and I can bet that some of you would feel a lot more hate towards an illegal Mexican over an illegal irish, therein lies the irony and pure racism. And what about the "Joe Legals" that benefit from the exact same programs fraudulently? I guess that's ok because they're legal.

I never knew people in this country were so ignorant. I thought it was just the people in the south, apparently this is not the case.

Originally Posted by turkey

I never knew people in this country were so ignorant. I thought it was just the people in the south, apparently this is not the case.

Being pro-closed borders and anti-amnesty doesn't make an individual ignorant and certainly not a racist... this is why there is so much frustration from my "side" of the table (of which there are both republicans and democrats). Logistically (as presented in this thread on a number of cases), there are very valid reasons why a closed border, anti-amnesty stance is very logical. It has nothing to do with discrimination or anger and I am so tired that any presented in favor of a closed border policy is automatically labeled as bigotry. This is no different than the moronic, childish stance some morons take that anyone opposed to obama or his administration's policies are simply such because they hold racist views.

If you ask me, it just goes to show how closed minded the "other side of the table" CAN be (notice I didn't label all those on the other side but rather some of those on it). Think of it this way, if you automatically assume that being pro-closed borders is racist, you are never even going to consider any argument I present (whether it be logical, economically sound, or otherwise).

If you are pro amnesty and pro-open borders, that's fine. I'm willing to hear your argument but don't simply claim that it is good because anyone opposed is a racist.

DME and I had a very mature, logical discussion of the pros and cons on the prior page.

Make money and stop your *****ing

The way I see it, a closed border will only delay the inevitable. People are always going to find a way, and if it can be built, it can be destroyed, why even waste the time and money? Fix things here at home so what it doesn't matter how they got in, but that they got in--do whatever it takes so that only citizens can get government aid, what good does it do to limit the amount of people if even just a fraction of them are still thriving off of the benefits? Then, a lot of hate and anger is directed towards the illegals, but how about you focus on the people that are allowing it to happen?

Originally Posted by Nineteen89

The way I see it, a closed border will only delay the inevitable. People are always going to find a way, and if it can be built, it can be destroyed, why even waste the time and money? Fix things here at home so what it doesn't matter how they got in, but that they got in--do whatever it takes so that only citizens can get government aid, what good does it do to limit the amount of people if even just a fraction of them are still thriving off of the benefits? Then, a lot of hate and anger is directed towards the illegals, but how about you focus on the people that are allowing it to happen?

Nineteen, as your post is a little hard to follow, I'll just address what I see as major issues. First off, by anti-open border, I am not suggesting (nor is any educated individual), that we build a 50 foot wall dude. Rather, financially penalize companies caught employing illegals to the point that it's not worth the risk and reconsider prop 187. Get corporate america, construction, and restaurants to do the work for us. If opportunities aren't here, they won't stay and, in leaving, will lighten the burden on our schools, hospitals, and, as mentioned, will free up jobs for others.

As for people looking down on the jobs they are working, that's a societally constructed problem. And, if illegals weren't able to take those jobs at very low wages, and no legal citizen would take the job, the companies would have to raise wages for those jobs and they would no longer be viewed as unacceptable. Then we have unemployment go down, less unemployment checks being sent out, and everyone's happy.

Originally Posted by 2000_328CI

Being pro-closed borders and anti-amnesty doesn't make an individual ignorant and certainly not a racist... this is why there is so much frustration from my "side" of the table (of which there are both republicans and democrats). Logistically (as presented in this thread on a number of cases), there are very valid reasons why a closed border, anti-amnesty stance is very logical. It has nothing to do with discrimination or anger and I am so tired that any presented in favor of a closed border policy is automatically labeled as bigotry. This is no different than the moronic, childish stance some morons take that anyone opposed to obama or his administration's policies are simply such because they hold racist views.

If you ask me, it just goes to show how closed minded the "other side of the table" CAN be (notice I didn't label all those on the other side but rather some of those on it). Think of it this way, if you automatically assume that being pro-closed borders is racist, you are never even going to consider any argument I present (whether it be logical, economically sound, or otherwise).

If you are pro amnesty and pro-open borders, that's fine. I'm willing to hear your argument but don't simply claim that it is good because anyone opposed is a racist.

DME and I had a very mature, logical discussion of the pros and cons on the prior page.

I wasn't speaking of your posts. I should've elaborated.