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Old 01-11-2010, 04:35 PM   #421
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Do you have any pictures of what your leather looked like after you were done prepping and sanding them? Specifically how much of the original dye did you have to take off (if at all?). I am reading through the instructions the leatherique guys have that are very similar to what you did, and seeing an example of how much to sand would be dope.
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Old 01-11-2010, 04:55 PM   #422
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Do you have any pictures of what your leather looked like after you were done prepping and sanding them? Specifically how much of the original dye did you have to take off (if at all?). I am reading through the instructions the leatherique guys have that are very similar to what you did, and seeing an example of how much to sand would be dope.
If you look at the photos that show the seams and stitching of the seats dyed, you can see the rest of the seat ready to go. Look at posts 242 and 380. #380 has some good closeups of the prepped material. Keep it mind though that Neil's seats are leatherette, so the prepped surface might look different.
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Do you have any pictures of what your leather looked like after you were done prepping and sanding them? Specifically how much of the original dye did you have to take off (if at all?). I am reading through the instructions the leatherique guys have that are very similar to what you did, and seeing an example of how much to sand would be dope.
Alrighty, my front sport seats that you see? The black ones, they are leatherette. Everything else is leather, all of the tan pieces. The door panel inserts, arm rests and rear seats are all leather. What you see in post #380 is leatherette prepped, you will not see much. No dye comes out of leatherette, it just gets really soft and plush after you finish sanding. But when you put prepping agent on real leather and start sanding it, dye will just start liquifying and coming off. It's pretty intense actually, my tan leather turned gray in spots after prepping agent. Leatherique doesn't really specify how much you are supposed to sand, they just say not to make the leather into suede.

I sanded mine until about 50-60% of the dye was out, afterwards the leather felt really plush and had a roughness to it. Some people will sand with 600 grit but I chose to sand with 1000 grit because 600 was a bit scary in my mind. The point of sanding is to get as much dye out of the leather because in essence, the leatherique dye is replacing your existing dye, so you want to have a clean slate for the dye to set in. But be careful, if you sand too much or too heavily, your leather will lose its grain and look almost nappa like, which is not good in this case. I would take pictures but I'm already though those steps... It was a very messy process and I needed my hands, sorry guys

More pictures later tonight, but I did run into one problem. The little airbag logo that goes into the front panel and the speaker cover that goes into the rear door panel? Yeah I can't seem to dye those properly, the dye doesn't want to stick to the plastic at all. I'm going to have to figure something out because I want it to be cinnamon and not black, I might go to the dealer and just buy new ones
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Alrighty, my front sport seats that you see? The black ones, they are leatherette. Everything else is leather, all of the tan pieces. The door panel inserts, arm rests and rear seats are all leather. What you see in post #380 is leatherette prepped, you will not see much. No dye comes out of leatherette, it just gets really soft and plush after you finish sanding. But when you put prepping agent on real leather and start sanding it, dye will just start liquifying and coming off. It's pretty intense actually, my tan leather turned gray in spots after prepping agent. Leatherique doesn't really specify how much you are supposed to sand, they just say not to make the leather into suede.

I sanded mine until about 50-60% of the dye was out, afterwards the leather felt really plush and had a roughness to it. Some people will sand with 600 grit but I chose to sand with 1000 grit because 600 was a bit scary in my mind. The point of sanding is to get as much dye out of the leather because in essence, the leatherique dye is replacing your existing dye, so you want to have a clean slate for the dye to set in. But be careful, if you sand too much or too heavily, your leather will lose its grain and look almost nappa like, which is not good in this case. I would take pictures but I'm already though those steps... It was a very messy process and I needed my hands, sorry guys

More pictures later tonight, but I did run into one problem. The little airbag logo that goes into the front panel and the speaker cover that goes into the rear door panel? Yeah I can't seem to dye those properly, the dye doesn't want to stick to the plastic at all. I'm going to have to figure something out because I want it to be cinnamon and not black, I might go to the dealer and just buy new ones
Thanks for the update. You are doing a great job with this project, I have a lot of respect for you

Regarding the airbag plastic cover, just go get some OEM cinnamon ones from tischer
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Based upon your post, do you not recommend dying leatherette seats?
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Alrighty, my front sport seats that you see? The black ones, they are leatherette. Everything else is leather, all of the tan pieces. The door panel inserts, arm rests and rear seats are all leather. What you see in post #380 is leatherette prepped, you will not see much. No dye comes out of leatherette, it just gets really soft and plush after you finish sanding. But when you put prepping agent on real leather and start sanding it, dye will just start liquifying and coming off. It's pretty intense actually, my tan leather turned gray in spots after prepping agent. Leatherique doesn't really specify how much you are supposed to sand, they just say not to make the leather into suede.

I sanded mine until about 50-60% of the dye was out, afterwards the leather felt really plush and had a roughness to it. Some people will sand with 600 grit but I chose to sand with 1000 grit because 600 was a bit scary in my mind. The point of sanding is to get as much dye out of the leather because in essence, the leatherique dye is replacing your existing dye, so you want to have a clean slate for the dye to set in. But be careful, if you sand too much or too heavily, your leather will lose its grain and look almost nappa like, which is not good in this case. I would take pictures but I'm already though those steps... It was a very messy process and I needed my hands, sorry guys

More pictures later tonight, but I did run into one problem. The little airbag logo that goes into the front panel and the speaker cover that goes into the rear door panel? Yeah I can't seem to dye those properly, the dye doesn't want to stick to the plastic at all. I'm going to have to figure something out because I want it to be cinnamon and not black, I might go to the dealer and just buy new ones
Very nice info!!! Thank you Neil. This thread gives me inspiration to dye my sets to imola red. Also, how does one tell if their seats are leather or leatherette?? It is easy in my e36 bc they are "nappa" leather. Whatever that means.

BTW, which little airbag logo are you talking about?? I also think you should buy a cinnamon leather shift-boot from leatherz.com
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Based upon your post, do you not recommend dying leatherette seats?
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This thread gives me inspiration to dye my sets to imola red. Also, how does one tell if their seats are leather or leatherette?? It is easy in my e36 bc they are "nappa" leather. Whatever that means.
Good luck on going with red. If you read this thread, you will learn that Neil's original plan was red but it turns out red is a no go in the leather dye world.

As for leather vs leatherette, you can look at some of the seems to determine which is which. Leatherette just has stitching in the upper seem on the backrest while leather has a fold and stitching. You can also look at the stitching around the perimeter of the seat. Leatherette has a single stitch while leather has a double stitch. I've included some photos of my seats so you can see the differences.

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Neil for the airbag plastic pieces I had the same problem you did. I just went to the dealer and bought them for like $4 each or something like that, worth the piece of mind IMO
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[QUOTE=zhp pilot;11160046]Good luck on going with red. If you read this thread, you will learn that Neil's original plan was red but it turns out red is a no go in the leather dye world.

As for leather vs leatherette, you can look at some of the seems to determine which is which. Leatherette just has stitching in the upper seem on the backrest while leather has a fold and stitching. You can also look at the stitching around the perimeter of the seat. Leatherette has a single stitch while leather has a double stitch. I've included some photos of my seats so you can see the differences.

Leatherette:

Leather:

Leatherette:

Leather:

Thank you on the leather vs. leatherette difference.
And, its funny that you mention the imola info. Before I checked the last page of this thread, I finished reading the first page and I just found out his explanation about imola dye.
Although, I wonder if my seats being gray would help the dye pentrate better. I guess it is all about the prep work.
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Old 01-12-2010, 09:35 PM   #434
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If the seats were leather, they would have to be brand new for the grain to be perfect like that.
I redyed my leather sport seats black and it was an improvement, but the grain has been worn away over time.

I am in love with your interior by the way.
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In 6 months I'll let you guys know if dyeing leatherette was a good choice. It's holding up beautifully so far, but only time will tell. This is all you guys get until the final update this saturday. We are having a local bmw winter meet and I will be driving my car out, interior completely finished. But until then, nom on this

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Can you spy the unfinished pieces?
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Wow that shot is MONEY! All that hard work has truly paid off.
I spy your unfinished passenger side pillar
How about doing the steering wheel in 2 tone BMW Individual style with any extra cinnamon dye?
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also the passenger side door seal trim is still tan
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The interior is where you spend the most time, and the top of the line vs the base is a big difference! (323 -> 330)

Nice work, and I love the black cube trim. I have it too!
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