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Old 02-22-2010, 10:32 AM   #1
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What is the benifit of a Staggered Tire set up?

I have a 2004 BMW 330i ZHP and has a staggered tire set up. I dont care for this due to you cannot rotate your tires. Is the staggered set-up mainly for appearance reasons? or does it for handling purposes?
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Old 02-22-2010, 11:27 AM   #2
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Larger rear tires will provide more traction to the rear wheels however there is not a drastic difference in acceleration times between staggered and non staggered due to traction issues. The main reason is for aesthetics, a non staggered setup will run inset from the fender on the rear and look less aggressive. If you are set on non staggered, you can run spacers on the rear setup to make it flush with the fenders.
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Old 02-22-2010, 11:54 AM   #3
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BmW does not recommend rotating tires!
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Old 02-22-2010, 11:55 AM   #4
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BmW does not recommend rotating tires!
Most don't anymore. Also, most people run directional tires, so there's no X pattern possible anyways.
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Old 02-22-2010, 11:58 AM   #5
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Majority of members on this board will buy a staggered setup for a more aggressive rear fitment. This could include a wider wheel, tire, stance, and appearance.

The wider rear will performance wise, will offer a wider contact patch and additional grip since the car is RWD.

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Old 02-22-2010, 12:03 PM   #6
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Staggered has more of tendency to understeer, a square set up will give you more neutral handling.
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Old 02-22-2010, 12:11 PM   #7
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Continental tire allows for side to side rotation of asymetrical tires (ContiSportContacts). I run ContiSportContact 3s in 235 and 255 widths on Style 68 Ms and rotate every 5 K miles for even wear.
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Most would argue the benefits are mostly cosmetic appearance and possible better straight line acceleration. "handling" is generally considered more neutral with a non staggered setup.
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Old 02-22-2010, 02:56 PM   #9
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Thanks every body for your input
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Old 02-22-2010, 07:08 PM   #10
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I also have an E36 M3 sedan. It came with a staggered setup., 245-40-17 in back and 225-45-17 in front. The rear rims are 8.5 and the fronts 7.5. My most recent set of tires is a square setup. 235-40-17's all around. There is a big difference in handling. the car feels much livelier and steering is better. I rotated the tires once off the rims. Tire wear on the E36 M3 is in the ratio of two rears per front tire. There are cost benefits to running a square setup. I am going to keep my E46 square when I buy new wheels and tires this summer.

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Old 02-22-2010, 07:18 PM   #11
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None no benefits, if possible go with a square setup, better handling and braking, if both front and rear rims are the same size then you can do the rotate thing
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Old 04-18-2010, 06:59 PM   #13
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Just curious, should you rotate your staggered wheels?
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Old 04-18-2010, 07:16 PM   #14
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i like this thread, i had the same questions about staggered because i am planning on some new wheels
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I am new to E46 and have read several threads about "staggered" vs "square".

The consensus seems to be that square is better for handling, (unless mods are made to swaybars etc.)

My question is --> unless we drive to the limits, do we ever feel the understeer in a staggered setup?

I could imagine that the owners who take cars to the track can feel the difference, but unless we drive to the point the tires start losing traction, is there any real difference between staggered and square?

Personally, I have not felt understeer in my car, but practically everyday LOVE walking up to it in a parking lot and seeing those wide tires in rear.
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You are correct that most do not drive their cars close enough to the limit to feel understeer (unless they have really bad tires...).
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Bigger tires less performance? staggered affect MAX SPEED ?
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you have to understand the people that jump from car to car often have NO MONEY

they are usually making poor financial decisions and rolling over debt.

No offense to some members on the group but there are dudes making less than $35K driving in fairly new cars - lol like leasing a $40k car - wtf - the car is worth more than what you make in a year!

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why use larger tire diameter in the front than the rear? example 245-(40?-17 in back and 225-(45?-17 in front.
The diameter of the tires will be the same (or close enough to not matter). The first number (245 or 225) is the width of the tire in mm's... the second number (40 or 45) is the ratio of height of the sidewall to width. So (theoretically, anyway) the 245-40 tire will be only about 3mm shorter than the 225-45 (1/8").
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my question is (why use a larger number ratio of height und the front than the rear tire??) any effect
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they are usually making poor financial decisions and rolling over debt.

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