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Old 08-21-2012, 08:58 PM   #15921
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It doesn't take a fast car to drive recklessly... however the car does make the temptation more present.

The kid was a dumbass for driving like that on a public road. It doesn't matter how good of a driver you are... there is a time and a place for everything. In this case, $100 for a track day would have been alot cheaper than the cost of an M3 and the embarrassing that he got from that video being watched by every car person with internet access. (all of which he deserved)


He can't even drive manual

I gotta agree... I cant say I have never gone for a spirited drive on some back roads... but I did know the roads. It seemed like he did not, some what of a blind turn due to the crest. Secondly, I dont understand why someone would upload and post a embarassing crash like that. Just makes you look like an inexperienced idiot.

Finally... it actually is a 6 speed He just cant drive.
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Old 08-21-2012, 09:06 PM   #15922
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I gotta agree... I cant say I have never gone for a spirited drive on some back roads... but I did know the roads. It seemed like he did not, some what of a blind turn due to the crest. Secondly, I dont understand why someone would upload and post a embarassing crash like that. Just makes you look like an inexperienced idiot.

Finally... it actually is a 6 speed He just cant drive.

Same here. I've had close calls. Did a 360 about 5 feet from a river once. When I do go out, I'm with people that know the roads. Still, I only go like 6/10ths. My car slides around way too much. I try to get all of my crazy driving out on the track and then take it easy on the streets.
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Old 08-22-2012, 06:26 AM   #15923
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Hey guys, figured i'd throw the BMW on the dyno before I let it go.

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Old 08-22-2012, 07:59 AM   #15924
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It doesn't take a fast car to drive recklessly... however the car does make the temptation more present.

The kid was a dumbass for driving like that on a public road. It doesn't matter how good of a driver you are... there is a time and a place for everything. In this case, $100 for a track day would have been alot cheaper than the cost of an M3 and the embarrassment that he got from that video being watched by every car person with internet access. (all of which he deserved)




He can't even drive manual

EDIT: SOOO many internet badasses in the comments on that video
When I drive like that on public roads it's about 7/10ths if that. AAAAAANNNNNDDDD I know the road. It wasn't how he was driving it was that he didn't know the road and completely missed the apex and there was a hill that unsettled the car. Video was funny as hell though.

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Hey guys, figured i'd throw the BMW on the dyno before I let it go.

Now that sh1t is funny.
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Old 08-22-2012, 09:21 AM   #15925
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Old 08-22-2012, 09:55 AM   #15926
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I call shenanigains.
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Old 08-22-2012, 01:56 PM   #15927
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Same here. I've had close calls. Did a 360 about 5 feet from a river once. When I do go out, I'm with people that know the roads. Still, I only go like 6/10ths. My car slides around way too much. I try to get all of my crazy driving out on the track and then take it easy on the streets.
I wish I could have ridden with you before I moved. I don't know why you say your call slides around too much. That's controled by you not the car.
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Old 08-22-2012, 02:26 PM   #15928
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I wish I could have ridden with you before I moved. I don't know why you say your call slides around too much. That's controled by you not the car.
Gotta say the same... My car feels very planted 90% of the time... the other 10% might be on purpose
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Old 08-22-2012, 07:37 PM   #15929
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I wish I could have ridden with you before I moved. I don't know why you say your call slides around too much. That's controled by you not the car.
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Gotta say the same... My car feels very planted 90% of the time... the other 10% might be on purpose
Well I can get my rear end to slide out in 3rd gear on the exit of a gradual corner.

I still need to do that dyno
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Old 08-22-2012, 09:48 PM   #15930
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Well I can get my rear end to slide out in 3rd gear on the exit of a gradual corner.

I still need to do that dyno
You said it, "i". "i" can get my moms mini van to slide out doing 70 down the highway. The point is to drive the car at the limit before loosing grip which in turn makes you slower. You still havent read those books have you? Its all about setting the car up right, point of entry, weight balance, speed. For every corner and every corner is different.

So dont say that your "car" is loose. Say that "you" are loose, or "you" are off line, or "you" were off balance. Unless you are sebastain vettel or micheal schumacher its you, not the car. A great driver can take a poor handling car and still drive the wheels off it, drive it at the limit. One of the most important things ive been told is, "you have to find the limits of you before you can find the limits of the car".
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Old 08-22-2012, 09:54 PM   #15931
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You said it, "i". "i" can get my moms mini van to slide out doing 70 down the highway. The point is to drive the car at the limit before loosing grip which in turn makes you slower. You still havent read those books have you? Its all about setting the car up right, point of entry, weight balance, speed. For every corner and every corner is different.

So dont say that your "car" is loose. Say that "you" are loose, or "you" are off line, or "you" were off balance. Unless you are sebastain vettel or micheal schumacher its you, not the car. A great driver can take a poor handling car and still drive the wheels off it, drive it at the limit. One of the most important things ive been told is, "you have to find the limits of you before you can find the limits of the car".
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And how the **** did you do a 360 on the street, Andy. O_O

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Old 08-22-2012, 09:58 PM   #15932
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Well I can get my rear end to slide out in 3rd gear on the exit of a gradual corner.

I still need to do that dyno
While I agree with what brad said, I still dont think the car should even be able to do that if setup correctly. Tires or suspension need work IMO.
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Old 08-22-2012, 10:10 PM   #15933
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While I agree with what brad said, I still dont think the car should even be able to do that if setup correctly. Tires or suspension need work IMO.
Noooooooooooooo, this statement is the biggest problem with young/new track drivers. They immediately think just because there is a performance issue that they should tune around it. Tune the driver not the car. I can take the same turn a dozen times and make the car handle a different way each time.

I think it starts with video games. The race and race then come to a race where they are just a bit behind. Instead of perfecting their driving they just go to the tuning shop and throw on every mod they can afford.
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Old 08-22-2012, 10:17 PM   #15934
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Noooooooooooooo, this statement is the biggest problem with young/new track drivers. They immediately think just because there is a performance issue that they should tune around it. Tune the driver not the car. I can take the same turn a dozen times and make the car handle a different way each time.

I think it starts with video games. The race and race then come to a race where they are just a bit behind. Instead of perfecting their driving they just go to the tuning shop and throw on every mod they can afford.
Sure he could learn to drive the current setup, but I dont think the car should even do what he is saying it does.
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Old 08-22-2012, 10:24 PM   #15935
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Sure he could learn to drive the current setup, but I dont think the car should even do what he is saying it does.
If you cant drive a bad setup then a good setup is just going to cover up mistakes which provides a false confidence. His car is setup almost exatcly like mine so my guess is its not the car. Which is fine, hes done one de and got shorted on instructor time. Im not expexcting him to be the next bill auberlen. I just want him to stop thinking its the car. He will never be as good as he can be until he realizes there is a lot to learn.
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Old 08-22-2012, 10:30 PM   #15936
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Noooooooooooooo, this statement is the biggest problem with young/new track drivers. They immediately think just because there is a performance issue that they should tune around it. Tune the driver not the car. I can take the same turn a dozen times and make the car handle a different way each time.

I think it starts with video games. The race and race then come to a race where they are just a bit behind. Instead of perfecting their driving they just go to the tuning shop and throw on every mod they can afford.
I think I can honestly say that after the DE and that following Touring day, I truly understand what is meant by this. It's one of those things that you hear and go "yeah I know" but you don't truly understand it until you get an actual feel for it through real life experience. I had just started rotation via throttle on the exit of the apex during the DE and practiced rotating with trail braking pretty much the entire Touring day. I still have so far to go and so much to learn...

After that last track day I felt like I had just hit a "breaking point" where all of the sudden some things just "clicked", I'm pissed I won't be able to pursue it on the track for awhile... Anyway, since I'm done with track time for awhile I thought I'd experiment on the street with my car control and ability to manipulate slip and understeer/oversteer with steering and throttle response (my inputs). I've driven the past couple weeks with my all season 205's in front and my R-Comp 265's in the rear, holy understeer right? With proper steering response and throttle input I'm able to induce rotation and work around the understeer. In fact, the car doesn't understeer one bit if I as the driver don't let it. I just went out tonight on a spirited drive with the 205's on all 4 corners and was able to take the turns just the same as with the 265's squared and 205/265 combo by adjusting MY input. No understeer and no oversteer, so long as I control the car that way.

Just an example I thought I could use, hopefully It's not too hard to understand my lingo...
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The street is also the worst place to really determine what is going on too, too many variables.

Just find it odd that my supercharged mustangs on drag radials wouldnt exactly "kick out the rear" at 70mph on a slight turn. But Andy's M3 on good tires will. If anything, the results should be exact opposite.
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Old 08-22-2012, 10:39 PM   #15938
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And just think, if you would have listen to me the first time you would have learned those lessons a lot sooner.
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And just think, if you would have listen to me the first time you would have learned those lessons a lot sooner.
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