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Old 10-29-2012, 12:01 PM   #16301
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the issue to me is that a safe 400hp car on track is not a safe 400hp car on the street. if you're really serious about becoming a better driver, the track car must have a full cage, fixed back seat, harness, kill switch, fire protection, etc. at that point the car not only becomes a PITA to use on the street but it's not safe either. without a helmet, the possibility of getting in a wreck and bashing your skull into metal tubing actually makes the car less safe on the street.

here's what happened to my old car with a measly 115whp. even with the full cage the occupant was layed up in a hospital for a few days.

I can't disagree with you, that's why when I started getting serious I added the necessary safety features in the e46. The other side of that is I guess that's why I have insurance, there are thousands and thousands of cars that track with out the features you speak of above. More or less every car at a DE is in stock trim. Doesn't make it right but that's just how it's gonna have to be for a while anyways.

My plan was to not worry about the safety stuff until I upgraded the suspension and moved back to r-comps. At that point I feel it is a must.
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Old 10-29-2012, 01:53 PM   #16302
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you have track insurance or regular insurance? regular insurance rarely if ever covers incidents on track regardless of what you call them (SCCA does have coverage for participants which is what ended up covering the guy that was in my car at the time).

i'm not sure why suspension and tire upgrades cross the threshold from safe to dangerous. for example....doing 130mph into the kink at HPT is ok, but doing 135 after suspension and tire changes is suddenly dangerous enough to warrant a cage?

i get that there are a crapton of cars out there doing DE stuff bone stock. and if you ask me, those cars are going WAY WAY WAY too fast with minimal talent behind the wheel. i quit instructing because of that....i want no part of being in some 400hp vette or BMW that's going 130+ with an unknown quantity behind the wheel and me with no control in the passenger seat. people do stupid **** in DEs that get themselves and others killed. unfortunately you see it every year.

we all have different standards for safety, i get it. i'm just providing my perspective.
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Old 10-29-2012, 02:20 PM   #16303
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So my alternator decided to die on the M today and NO ONE that I can think of has it in the city! I've checked autozone, advanced, oreilly's, and Barron. Anyone have any ideas of who might have one locally? I'm going to tear it apart and check the brushes in the mean time, I bet thats it.
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Old 10-29-2012, 02:36 PM   #16304
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you have track insurance or regular insurance? regular insurance rarely if ever covers incidents on track regardless of what you call them (SCCA does have coverage for participants which is what ended up covering the guy that was in my car at the time).

i'm not sure why suspension and tire upgrades cross the threshold from safe to dangerous. for example....doing 130mph into the kink at HPT is ok, but doing 135 after suspension and tire changes is suddenly dangerous enough to warrant a cage?

i get that there are a crapton of cars out there doing DE stuff bone stock. and if you ask me, those cars are going WAY WAY WAY too fast with minimal talent behind the wheel. i quit instructing because of that....i want no part of being in some 400hp vette or BMW that's going 130+ with an unknown quantity behind the wheel and me with no control in the passenger seat. people do stupid **** in DEs that get themselves and others killed. unfortunately you see it every year.

we all have different standards for safety, i get it. i'm just providing my perspective.
I always insure my car with Lockton insurnace, so the car and any occupant are always covered.

Once again I can't disagree, the way you put it makes complete sense. 5-10 mph makes no difference. I guess I'm counting on BMW to save my life if I make a mistake, or if I hit oil, etc.

For me at this point I can't justify adding a cage/bar right away and most likely will not unless it's in the budget. I guess it is what it is.

Hind sight is 20/20, I guess maybe keeping the M3 and trading in my wifes car for a shitty daily would have made more sense. To late now.

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So my alternator decided to die on the M today and NO ONE that I can think of has it in the city! I've checked autozone, advanced, oreilly's, and Barron. Anyone have any ideas of who might have one locally? I'm going to tear it apart and check the brushes in the mean time, I bet thats it.
Man, if none of those people carry one I'm not sure who else would. Give Kendall at AutoTech a call, he may have one or may be able to point you in the right direction.
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Old 10-29-2012, 03:23 PM   #16305
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kudos for getting coverage for both you and any occupants.

i'm not trying to say i wouldn't ever set foot on track without a cage. i'd take my M out on track as is with no cage....but i'd be putzing around at 80% or something like that. if i was really trying to put in a good time with the M i'd have to pick somewhere like MAM where there isn't a thing you can possibly run into...HPT, road atlanta, etc. i want nothing to do with. i guess i just couldn't push it that hard without proper safety equipment anymore....in my younger/dumber days i would have, but not now.
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Old 10-29-2012, 08:33 PM   #16306
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Brad any updates about the car at VIR?

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So my alternator decided to die on the M today and NO ONE that I can think of has it in the city! I've checked autozone, advanced, oreilly's, and Barron. Anyone have any ideas of who might have one locally? I'm going to tear it apart and check the brushes in the mean time, I bet thats it.
That sucks. My sister's 2007 328XI w/ 33k miles was having electrical seizures early today. I think the voltage was too low and the systems were freaking out. The CAN bus was getting bad readings, and without that working properly (steering angle sensor, steering lock sensor, brake position sensor, other stuff) the car would TOTALLY freak out and not even start. I read something real quick posted to a forum that suggested banging your wrist on the wheel just before attempting to start it. Strangely enough it worked and we immediately took the car to Baron to get a quote. (will be going to Kendle at Autotech for the actual work )

The service adviser mentioned that it will need new rear brakes soon, which includes rear pads, rotors, and sensor. Normal cost is around $670. I pretty much laughed in his face at that point.
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Old 10-30-2012, 01:22 AM   #16307
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Apperently it didnt get there in time. Last i heard it was supposed to get there today but i never heard from him.
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Old 10-30-2012, 07:25 AM   #16308
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Old 10-30-2012, 08:52 AM   #16309
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Old 10-30-2012, 08:53 AM   #16310
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So dude e-mails me about the car. Says Tom Long is coaching him at VIR yesterday and today (which he rented out). Dude has waaaaaay to much money. If you don't know, Tom Long is a factory Porche driver.
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Old 10-30-2012, 09:00 AM   #16311
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recent dyno day Overall im pretty happy...

Nice. What mods?
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Old 10-30-2012, 09:00 AM   #16312
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So dude e-mails me about the car. Says Tom Long is coaching him at VIR yesterday and today (which he rented out). Dude has waaaaaay to much money. If you don't know, Tom Long is a factory Porche driver.
Should of offered your instruction for a minimal fee!
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Old 10-30-2012, 01:20 PM   #16313
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Brad any updates about the car at VIR?



That sucks. My sister's 2007 328XI w/ 33k miles was having electrical seizures early today. I think the voltage was too low and the systems were freaking out. The CAN bus was getting bad readings, and without that working properly (steering angle sensor, steering lock sensor, brake position sensor, other stuff) the car would TOTALLY freak out and not even start. I read something real quick posted to a forum that suggested banging your wrist on the wheel just before attempting to start it. Strangely enough it worked and we immediately took the car to Baron to get a quote. (will be going to Kendle at Autotech for the actual work )

The service adviser mentioned that it will need new rear brakes soon, which includes rear pads, rotors, and sensor. Normal cost is around $670. I pretty much laughed in his face at that point.
Sucks man. While taking the alternator out I broke the line running to the coolant reservoir trying to get it out of the plastic water neck. The damn thing was in there TIGHT!. So theres another $86 on top of the $220 alternator (not a bad price actually) I had carquest order. Thankfully, they are getting it in here today.

Also yesterday my afro-engineered IAC adapter on the MR2 finally broke, so I was down to 1 car and spent most of the night properly fabbing one up. Yesterday wasnt good luck in the car world I guess.

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Old 10-30-2012, 01:42 PM   #16314
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Nice. What mods?
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Old 10-30-2012, 03:31 PM   #16315
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your numbers are great. is that at the wheel??
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Old 10-30-2012, 04:27 PM   #16316
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your numbers are great. is that at the wheel??
Yep.. Some people want to get "technical" and say they are not SAE corrected. I would assume mid-high 320's if you were to use the SAE correction.
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Old 10-30-2012, 09:45 PM   #16317
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Yep.. Some people want to get "technical" and say they are not SAE corrected. I would assume mid-high 320's if you were to use the SAE correction.
Either way they are very good number. I cant remember what my sae correction factor was, but it should be the same. I would have loved to dyno around this time of year to see if the weather really makes a difference, some say it does some say it doesnt. All i know is that when i dyno'd it was hotter than sh1t out.
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Old 10-30-2012, 09:55 PM   #16318
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Either way they are very good number. I cant remember what my sae correction factor was, but it should be the same. I would have loved to dyno around this time of year to see if the weather really makes a difference, some say it does some say it doesnt. All i know is that when i dyno'd it was hotter than sh1t out.
The intent of a "correction" factor is to make the weather not matter, but it still will.
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Old 11-02-2012, 12:08 PM   #16319
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Old 11-02-2012, 12:34 PM   #16320
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You guys deaded???
No joke, been slow as shiz lately.
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