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Old 02-19-2013, 02:43 PM   #17001
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It's funny you said this because my buddy I work with just mentioned that the easiest way is to have a wire fed on gas which I'm gathering is MIG welding.



There is a local harbor frieght here. I normally try and stay away from HF for most things but I may run by and check them out.



Please do, ask what he has.



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My terminology might be a bit off, but you have 2 types of wire-fed. Gas shield(argon/co2) or flux-core. The flux core burns the core of the wire off to make its shield, and therefore no gas tank needed.
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Old 02-19-2013, 03:33 PM   #17002
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My terminology might be a bit off, but you have 2 types of wire-fed. Gas shield(argon/co2) or flux-core. The flux core burns the core of the wire off to make its shield, and therefore no gas tank needed.
I hear that with gas it's a bit easier, is this correct?
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Old 02-19-2013, 05:32 PM   #17003
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I hear that with gas it's a bit easier, is this correct?
Yes, thats what I said previously. But that assumes a non-windy environment, such as a garage or shop with no fan blowing.
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Old 02-19-2013, 05:34 PM   #17004
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1:30 into this one and it looks to be a pretty good example.



BAM, got it to work.
Got the embed to work finally. Dont include "https" on your youtube links.
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Old 02-19-2013, 10:46 PM   #17005
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You can also press the button for "share" and it gives you a link that works. I couldn't figure it out for the longest time either.
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Old 02-20-2013, 08:49 AM   #17006
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I hear that with gas it's a bit easier, is this correct?
My family runs a welding a machine shop and has for 90 years. Welding classes are a waste of money IMO. It's not difficult until you start getting into different alloys, aluminum and TIG. Read up on it, watch videos and practice. It can even be fun to get some material and build garage furniture, art or decorations.

Best thing you can do is invest your money into a better welder and pick up some scrap metal and start playing it with.

DO NOT buy a cheap welder from Harbor Freight. 99% of what you want to do can be done with a MIG. You can even MIG aluminum by changing a few components like the spool, wire and voltages assuming you have a decent welder. I never recommend a flux core unless it's all you have to work with. The gas shielding provides much cleaner welds and is easier to do. The flux core will leave you with a splattered mess that will need to be ground smooth.

What I would really recommend, is a Millermatic 140. I've fabbed roll cages, exhaust, turbo kits, bracing, etc. with one of these.

http://www.millerwelds.com/products/...p?model=M00234

If that's a bit too expensive, I would start with no less than this:

http://www.northerntool.com/shop/too...1413_200471413

You can do pretty much anything you want with one of the machines above. Once you get into the 1/2" thickness range, then you'd need to look into a 220v machine.
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Old 02-20-2013, 09:05 AM   #17007
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Rock solid advice right there.

You can learn the basics and theory of it real quickly, its all about practice after that. The majority of a welding class will be practice, but on their time and dime(partially), so that helps.
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Old 02-20-2013, 10:09 AM   #17008
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My family runs a welding a machine shop and has for 90 years. Welding classes are a waste of money IMO. It's not difficult until you start getting into different alloys, aluminum and TIG. Read up on it, watch videos and practice. It can even be fun to get some material and build garage furniture, art or decorations.

Best thing you can do is invest your money into a better welder and pick up some scrap metal and start playing it with.

DO NOT buy a cheap welder from Harbor Freight. 99% of what you want to do can be done with a MIG. You can even MIG aluminum by changing a few components like the spool, wire and voltages assuming you have a decent welder. I never recommend a flux core unless it's all you have to work with. The gas shielding provides much cleaner welds and is easier to do. The flux core will leave you with a splattered mess that will need to be ground smooth.

What I would really recommend, is a Millermatic 140. I've fabbed roll cages, exhaust, turbo kits, bracing, etc. with one of these.

http://www.millerwelds.com/products/...p?model=M00234

If that's a bit too expensive, I would start with no less than this:

http://www.northerntool.com/shop/too...1413_200471413

You can do pretty much anything you want with one of the machines above. Once you get into the 1/2" thickness range, then you'd need to look into a 220v machine.
Great adive, that's pretty much the conclusion I came to yesterday after doing some research.

I think the most I would spend on a welder at this point is 500 bucks, hoping to find something used. Then get some scrap and practice, practice, practice.

I appreciate all the help guys.
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Old 02-20-2013, 10:11 AM   #17009
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Good idea. Not sure if you're still looking for a low mileage SMG M3, but if you are, take a look at this:

http://kansascity.craigslist.org/cto/3608402702.html

5400 actual miles, $24k. That's a good deal right there, if you can get over the PY that is. No sunroof even.
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Old 02-20-2013, 10:17 AM   #17010
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Good idea. Not sure if you're still looking for a low mileage SMG M3, but if you are, take a look at this:

http://kansascity.craigslist.org/cto/3608402702.html

5400 actual miles, $24k. That's a good deal right there, if you can get over the PY that is. No sunroof even.
Fuuuuuuuck that's a pretty good deal on a car with insanely low miles. But man that color is ugly.

How bout something like this.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Craftsman-Wi...item35c4983945
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Old 02-20-2013, 10:39 AM   #17011
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Fuuuuuuuck that's a pretty good deal on a car with insanely low miles. But man that color is ugly.

How bout something like this.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Craftsman-Wi...item35c4983945
If you're planning on sticking to tiny thin stuff, maybe.

But for all around versatility, I wouldn't get anything less than 140amp output.

Both the Hobart and Miller I linked have a 30-140amp welding output. The Craftsman welder (used to be rebranded, cheaper made Lincolns) has a max output of I believe 85amps. Couldn't really find detailed specs on it.

If you have ready access to 220v, this is a pretty good deal:

http://www.amazon.com/Clarke-180EN-2.../dp/B004WF3PLU

You'd still have to get the gas, but it does come with the regulator.

Clarke is a budget brand, but I know a few people with them with no complaints.
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You really do get what you pay for in MIG welders.

My buddy uses his Harbor Freight TIG and loves it, but you're manually controlling alot of things there that you dont in a MIG.
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Old 02-20-2013, 12:53 PM   #17013
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I hate this electrical stuff. I need to check what my garage has before I get ahead of myself. I believe it has a 20amp breaker so I doubt there is any way I would run 220v. I assume I'd be limited to 110? Correct?
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No instead you just run two breakers to the same location. boom 220 service. I think.
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just unplug your dryer and run a massive extension cord to your garage
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Old 02-20-2013, 01:05 PM   #17016
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I hate this electrical stuff. I need to check what my garage has before I get ahead of myself. I believe it has a 20amp breaker so I doubt there is any way I would run 220v. I assume I'd be limited to 110? Correct?
Yup. You'd need a double breaker for 220v.

Honestly, I'd wait until a used Millermatic 140 pops up. Make sure it has auto-set too.

It's your top of line 110v MIG and it's great for beginners because the auto-set does all of the parameter settings until you get to the point where you're comfortable enough to set them yourself.
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Old 02-20-2013, 01:13 PM   #17017
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No instead you just run two breakers to the same location. boom 220 service. I think.
I rent this place so I can't be doing stuff like that.

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I could do that I guess, I just can't figure out why the garage doesn't have 220v.

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Yup. You'd need a double breaker for 220v.

Honestly, I'd wait until a used Millermatic 140 pops up. Make sure it has auto-set too.

It's your top of line 110v MIG and it's great for beginners because the auto-set does all of the parameter settings until you get to the point where you're comfortable enough to set them yourself.
I will keep an eye out. I really like that Hobart unit as well. At this point I only plan to do light welding such as stitch welding the chasis, roll cage tubing, and plate steel for reinforcements (probably 3/8").
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Old 02-20-2013, 01:22 PM   #17018
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I will keep an eye out. I really like that Hobart unit as well. At this point I only plan to do light welding such as stitch welding the chasis, roll cage tubing, and plate steel for reinforcements (probably 3/8").
The Hobart would do that just fine.
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Old 02-20-2013, 01:23 PM   #17019
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I found some of the Miller 140's on ebay new for $700, think I may end up getting one of those.

I just wish craftsman made better stuff because although I know they aren't the best I'm a craftsman whore and I'm sorta OCD about having things match. Oh well.
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I wouldnt buy craftsman stuff anymore. Growing up my family was loyal to them, but now they're mainly chinese junk.
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