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Old 03-17-2010, 04:29 PM   #181
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I disagree partially. 99% of the problems with Raceland is the INSTALL, not the actual product. I have yet to see a thread about outright failure of the coilovers. The problems arise from n00bs that do a shoddy install, put them on the lowest setting so they'll be "uber low brah" and don't account for rubbing.

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well said m8. glad someones got some sense!
i havnt got raceland coilovers but there certainly aint anything wrong with them.
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Old 03-17-2010, 04:31 PM   #182
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Old 03-17-2010, 04:46 PM   #184
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God. I've had enough of this. The next person who PM's me about posting the dyno results is getting a raceland strut shoved up their ass.


For the last time:

The materials and construction look perfectly safe. The welds aren't the prettiest, but they seem structurally sound.

Right to left the shocks and springs matched one another within an acceptable spec, consistent with other brands in the market.

The shocks are very, very soft. Softer than what was on file for e46 m3 shocks.

The springs are way too stiff for the shocks.

The combination of those two things = car will just bounce up and down on the springs. Which is no fun for ride quality, and certainly terrible for performance.

If you could get springs that were close to oem rates, the Racelands are probably a perfectly safe alternative for people with blown OEM suspension who don't want to spend much to replace it, and still have a nice drop.

They are simply not a performance upgrade.

I will post the graphs later.

Unlike the Chase's in this thread, I have seen the kit, held the shocks in my hand, seen the dyno. They are generic shock bodies, just like what all cheap suspension companies use. Using those makes production costs cheap, and involves virtually no R&D. The only difference between these and the other garbage cheap kits (DDM, FK, ST, whatever else) is that they are super soft.

For those of you that have Raceland and are saying the ride is close to stock - your stock suspension must have been blown, or you don't know what you're talking about.

For anyone who thinks this off the shelf kit is going to improve the handling or performance of your car, its not.

And finally, no I would never put these on any of my cars. I wouldn't put any of the cheap coilovers on my car though. I tell people all the time that the cheapest coilover I feel safe in recommending is the Tein Basic. But hey, Seth and I have about $6000 worth of suspension parts on our e46's so thats just me.
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Regardless, spent a good hour on the phone last night discussing these with the "source" conducting the tests on racelands and, I must say, when you guys see the results, "you're gonna sh*t bricks". They really are (A) of terrible quality (B) wayyyyy off the spring rates claimed on the cite (C) rather dangerous given A & B both for you and other motorists on the road. Consensus is, as long as they hold together, you could be fine using them as a poorly handling daily driver but, if you want to do anything remotely aggressive (even a hard bank on a highway) the result, when using these, could be catastrophic.




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Old 03-17-2010, 05:21 PM   #185
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Old 03-17-2010, 05:21 PM   #186
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I received a defective clutch line that led to numerous hours of trouble shooting and unnessecary bleeding of the clutch line before I realized the line was bad.

I had an oil drain plug break off.

I received my TSE3 beat to **** from poor packaging



I had to get new nuts for my tranny mounts because one came crossthreaded

I'm not even go into the countless clutch failure threads I've read on here and sway bar sets popping out of the brackets and squeking issues.

Search "UUC'c poor crap" and that should go into more detail about their horrible customer service.
Oil plugs are DESIGNED to break when overtorqued.

My TSE3, as others on this forum was fine on delivery. The packaging did not beat the **** out of it, the shipper did, there is insurance for this. I received TWO SETS of composite rocker panels for my Viper from Autoform Development that were broken in transit by BAX Global. I didn't blame Autoform Development, BAX covered both sets 100%.

Never heard about UUC sways popping out (incorrect endlinks?). As for squeaks, when using stiffer bushings (polyurathane), teflon grease is needed and it washes/works out of the friction area, requiring re-application.

Oh, searched "UUCs poor crap", nothing came up. As for their customer service, they dropped the ball on some customers during their move (moving an entire business operation NEVER goes as planned), and over the holidays.


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Old 03-17-2010, 06:40 PM   #187
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Chase - having spring rates that are not as advertised has nothing to do with the safety of a suspension kit or its likelihood of falling apart on banked turns. Under a heavy side load, are the more likely to suffer a failure than say, a bilstein? Probably, but other components are going to break first, and you're going to crash regardless.


And UUC is definitely crap. Every product I have dealt with from them has been defective in some way, and their customer service in dealing with the issues was ATROCIOUS. This has been for several years, not just during their move.
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I had to get new nuts for my tranny
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I received a defective clutch line that led to numerous hours of trouble shooting and unnessecary bleeding of the clutch line before I realized the line was bad.

I had an oil drain plug break off.

I received my TSE3 beat to **** from poor packaging.
Dang...understood. But can't REALLY blame them for the TSE3.

I do remember having an issue with a rotor on their BBK. I am very happy with it but one of their 1-pc slotted rotors warped (I think). Just went with the OEM M3 euro drilled rotors.
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Old 03-17-2010, 08:15 PM   #189
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If you could get springs that were close to oem rates, the Racelands are probably a perfectly safe alternative for people with blown OEM suspension who don't want to spend much to replace it, and still have a nice drop.
See, that kind of defeats the purpose of the $250 coilover. It will no longer be $250 if you end up replacing the springs.

Why not just spend a little more for something you know you don't have to fock with? Again, just my $.02.

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I've had enough of this. The next person who PM's me about posting the dyno results is getting a raceland strut shoved up their ass.
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Old 03-17-2010, 08:20 PM   #190
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Old 03-17-2010, 09:17 PM   #191
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God. I've had enough of this. The next person who PM's me about posting the dyno results is getting a raceland strut shoved up their ass.


For the last time:

The materials and construction look perfectly safe. The welds aren't the prettiest, but they seem structurally sound.

Right to left the shocks and springs matched one another within an acceptable spec, consistent with other brands in the market.

The shocks are very, very soft. Softer than what was on file for e46 m3 shocks.

The springs are way too stiff for the shocks.

The combination of those two things = car will just bounce up and down on the springs. Which is no fun for ride quality, and certainly terrible for performance.

If you could get springs that were close to oem rates, the Racelands are probably a perfectly safe alternative for people with blown OEM suspension who don't want to spend much to replace it, and still have a nice drop.

They are simply not a performance upgrade.


I will post the graphs later.

Unlike the Chase's in this thread, I have seen the kit, held the shocks in my hand, seen the dyno. They are generic shock bodies, just like what all cheap suspension companies use. Using those makes production costs cheap, and involves virtually no R&D. The only difference between these and the other garbage cheap kits (DDM, FK, ST, whatever else) is that they are super soft.

For those of you that have Raceland and are saying the ride is close to stock - your stock suspension must have been blown, or you don't know what you're talking about.

For anyone who thinks this off the shelf kit is going to improve the handling or performance of your car, its not.

And finally, no I would never put these on any of my cars. I wouldn't put any of the cheap coilovers on my car though. I tell people all the time that the cheapest coilover I feel safe in recommending is the Tein Basic. But hey, Seth and I have about $6000 worth of suspension parts on our e46's so thats just me.
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Old 03-17-2010, 11:26 PM   #192
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hahaha..... yeh man, nufin wrong with mac d's haha

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Oil plugs are DESIGNED to break when overtorqued.
This I understand, but I was no where near overtorquing it. I've done every oil change over the last 16 years on my cars, parents, and numerous friends and have never overtorqued one.

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My TSE3, as others on this forum was fine on delivery. The packaging did not beat the **** out of it, the shipper did, there is insurance for this.
I would totally 1000000% agree with you... if UUC decided to put padding material in between the exhaust. When I recieved the package, you could litterally hear the pipes clanking and banging against each other. They use expanding foam for their padding which is a great idea, however half the box wasn't padded. I can ship you a Tiffany vase right now and just drop it in a box and I'm positive you would be mad at me because I should know that shippers are careless. Preventative measures were not taken which is why I blamed UUC. I will admit, I have not had a problem with my SS brake lines yet, thank god

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Oh, searched "UUCs poor crap", nothing came up. As for their customer service, they dropped the ball on some customers during their move (moving an entire business operation NEVER goes as planned), and over the holidays.

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I do remember having an issue with a rotor on their BBK. I am very happy with it but one of their 1-pc slotted rotors warped (I think). Just went with the OEM M3 euro drilled rotors.
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See, that kind of defeats the purpose of the $250 coilover. It will no longer be $250 if you end up replacing the springs.

Why not just spend a little more for something you know you don't have to fock with? Again, just my $.02.
Because not everyone tracks and those spring rates can be tolerated by most for JUST DD'ing. Especially if your OEM sh*t already has 100k+ miles on it...
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Because not everyone tracks and those spring rates can be tolerated by most for JUST DD'ing. Especially if your OEM sh*t already has 100k+ miles on it...
If you can deal with it, then go for it. I'm not necessarily against the actual product. But the price is potentially misleading. I've already stated the first reason. Second reason are install and alignment costs. Which are not as bad if you are a DIYer.

I've learned this the hardway in the past with replica body parts. Cheap doesn't always factor in installation. Especially if you have a couple of re-do's.

So makes sense if you pull them out of the box, install them and deal with it. As soon as you start focking with things, probably should have just went with an entry level kit (KW, PSS, Tein basic, etc).

IMO, if you can only spend $250 on coilovers...probably need to re-look your financial priorities.

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