E46 BMW Social Directory E46 FAQ 3-Series Discussion Forums BMW Photo Gallery BMW 3-Series Technical Information E46 Fanatics - The Ultimate BMW Resource BMW Vendors General E46 Forum The Tire Rack's Tire Wheel Forum Forced Induction Forum The Off-Topic The E46 BMW Showroom For Sale, For Trade or Wanting to Buy

Welcome to the E46Fanatics forums. E46Fanatics is the premiere website for BMW 3 series owners around the world with interactive forums, a geographical enthusiast directory, photo galleries, and technical information for BMW enthusiasts.

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact contact us.

Go Back   E46Fanatics > Classifieds > For Sale, For Trade or Wanting to Buy > Complete Cars

Complete Cars
List your BMW or other cars, trucks or vehicles for sale.

Don't forget to search for deals on craigslist and eBay Motors

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 03-28-2010, 11:11 AM   #81
LenS
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Teaneck, NJ
Posts: 29
My Ride: '06 330ci ZHP
Just returned from checking out the black ZHP on Craigslist in NJ; car must have been tapped in the rear because the bumper was askew and detached from the body. The attachment clip was visible. Rotors were bright orange with rust. Paint showed rubbing near the left rear wheel arch. Serious curbing on at least one rim. All for $24K firm! CPO until 5/12, but it did not present like a CPO car should.

I just don't understand sellers; at least clean the car! It was filthy!

Search continues...
LenS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-28-2010, 12:55 PM   #82
CTSport330i
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: CT
Posts: 197
My Ride: 06 CiC ZHP/ 05 X5
I love the "just 10 more HP" argument. Its not all about HP ratings. Look at the 0-60 times. M3= 4.9, ZHP=5.6, 330=6.2.. (those are off the cuff estimates BTW) But my point it is it really is in the middle ground of an m3 and a regular 330. Well worth the extra dough than "regualr" 3 series.
CTSport330i is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-28-2010, 12:57 PM   #83
Mr. Maboomba
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Maryland
Posts: 17
My Ride: 1998 328is
Quote:
Originally Posted by CTSport330i View Post
But my point it is it really is in the middle ground of an m3 and a regular 330. Well worth the extra dough than "regualr" 3 series.
Whatever. A 2005 M3 with 40k miles sold in Richmond last week for $23k. There's no way in hell I'm buying a 330Ci for anything over $20k - any year, any miles, any options.
Mr. Maboomba is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-28-2010, 01:15 PM   #84
Hartman
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Indianapolis
Posts: 1,404
My Ride: 2000 323i
Quote:
Originally Posted by LenS View Post
Just returned from checking out the black ZHP on Craigslist in NJ; car must have been tapped in the rear because the bumper was askew and detached from the body. The attachment clip was visible. Rotors were bright orange with rust. Paint showed rubbing near the left rear wheel arch. Serious curbing on at least one rim. All for $24K firm! CPO until 5/12, but it did not present like a CPO car should.

I just don't understand sellers; at least clean the car! It was filthy!

Search continues...
People have no idea how to properly list things on Craigslist, especially cars. No pictures, poor pictures, vehicle trashed with dirt, no details listed, etc.
__________________
Hartman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-28-2010, 04:42 PM   #85
x Spades x
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Morristown, NJ Stamford, CT
Posts: 333
My Ride: TIAG '06 330ci ZHP
Quote:
Originally Posted by LenS View Post
Just returned from checking out the black ZHP on Craigslist in NJ; car must have been tapped in the rear because the bumper was askew and detached from the body. The attachment clip was visible. Rotors were bright orange with rust. Paint showed rubbing near the left rear wheel arch. Serious curbing on at least one rim. All for $24K firm! CPO until 5/12, but it did not present like a CPO car should.

I just don't understand sellers; at least clean the car! It was filthy!

Search continues...

Lens, my post earlier, wasn't meant to be 100% serious. I was joking throughout the thread, haha. Anyway, I'm looking for an M, and I would be willing to part with my ZHP for $21K (negotiable), which is under Kelley's Blue Book of 22k.

We can exchange info, so that you can check it out, test drive, etc., when ever convenient.

Last edited by x Spades x; 03-29-2010 at 02:48 PM.
x Spades x is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-28-2010, 04:48 PM   #86
FutureMD32
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Atlanta
Posts: 1,079
My Ride: 2004 M3
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Maboomba View Post
Whatever. A 2005 M3 with 40k miles sold in Richmond last week for $23k. There's no way in hell I'm buying a 330Ci for anything over $20k - any year, any miles, any options.
amen brotha
__________________
2008 CLK63 Black
2006 CLS55 AMG
2004 BMW M3
1998 Nissan S14 240sx, powered by RB26
1990 Nissan S13 240sx, 630 whp SR20DET
1995 Subaru Legacy, EJ20R, 410 whp
Soon to have 2011 Ford Mustang 5.0
FutureMD32 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-30-2010, 11:33 PM   #87
7xes
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: ct
Posts: 479
My Ride: M3
Send a message via AIM to 7xes
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Maboomba View Post
Whatever. A 2005 M3 with 40k miles sold in Richmond last week for $23k. There's no way in hell I'm buying a 330Ci for anything over $20k - any year, any miles, any options.
x2
7xes is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2010, 07:35 AM   #88
LenS
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Teaneck, NJ
Posts: 29
My Ride: '06 330ci ZHP
What I'm curious about is the cost of unexpected repairs/deferred maintenance (not regular maintenance) for an out-of-warranty M3 vs. a 330. I wonder if the several thousand dollars of initial price difference between the two could quickly escalate, so that a low to mid-$20Ks M3 w/ issues could easily cost close to $30K?
LenS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2010, 08:04 AM   #89
sdiver
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 18
My Ride: 2003 MINI Cooper S
Send a message via AIM to sdiver Send a message via Yahoo to sdiver
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Maboomba View Post
Whatever. A 2005 M3 with 40k miles sold in Richmond last week for $23k. There's no way in hell I'm buying a 330Ci for anything over $20k - any year, any miles, any options.
+1

I've seen one 330i ZHP that could perhaps argue that the price should be over $20k...that was an '05 sedan here in Chicago with 14k on the odometer. Even then, $21k would have been a fair offer based on options, etc...he was firm at $24k+.

I've spoken to more than one seller that has said, "this is what I think the car is worth." Reality, and what these people think are two totally different places. Does the ZHP Performance Package call for something of a premium over a "regular" 330, yes...but at the end of the day, it was ONLY a ~$4k option... and these cars of 4-7 years old now. I've seen more than one seller asking $17-18k+ for '03 330's with 90k+ on the odometer...reality check time...and I don't care if those miles are all "highway miles."

It's just frustrating if you like the car, and you have sellers asking overly optimistic prices, and are unwilling to come down because they think that because the ZHP package is/was rare, it's worth more money.

__________________
Steve

FS Feeler: 2003 MINI Cooper S
Indi Blue/White
Bonnet Stripes, Lapis Blue & Black Leather, 6-speed, Premium, Sport & Cold Weather Packages, Rally Lamps, Front/Rear Fogs.
Link with pics coming soon...PM me in the meantime...

WTB/WTT For: 2003-05 BMW 330i ZHP Sedan, 6-speed Manual
sdiver is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2010, 08:13 AM   #90
sdiver
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 18
My Ride: 2003 MINI Cooper S
Send a message via AIM to sdiver Send a message via Yahoo to sdiver
Quote:
Originally Posted by LenS View Post
I wonder if the several thousand dollars of initial price difference between the two could quickly escalate, so that a low to mid-$20Ks M3 w/ issues could easily cost close to $30K?
Sure, absolutely. But I'm sure the same thing could also happen with a 330i/330Ci. It would no doubt have a lot to do with what the issues were.
__________________
Steve

FS Feeler: 2003 MINI Cooper S
Indi Blue/White
Bonnet Stripes, Lapis Blue & Black Leather, 6-speed, Premium, Sport & Cold Weather Packages, Rally Lamps, Front/Rear Fogs.
Link with pics coming soon...PM me in the meantime...

WTB/WTT For: 2003-05 BMW 330i ZHP Sedan, 6-speed Manual
sdiver is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2010, 08:21 AM   #91
LenS
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Teaneck, NJ
Posts: 29
My Ride: '06 330ci ZHP
But aren't M3 parts cost double a normal 3-series? And I'm sure the labor costs escalate when an M car rolls into a shop...
LenS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2010, 08:22 AM   #92
Mr. Maboomba
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Maryland
Posts: 17
My Ride: 1998 328is
Quote:
Originally Posted by LenS View Post
What I'm curious about is the cost of unexpected repairs/deferred maintenance (not regular maintenance) for an out-of-warranty M3 vs. a 330. I wonder if the several thousand dollars of initial price difference between the two could quickly escalate, so that a low to mid-$20Ks M3 w/ issues could easily cost close to $30K?
Both the 330Ci and M3 are E46 BMWs. The S54 engine requires some pricey regular maintenance, like a $1,200 tune-up every 30k miles, but if the alternator or transmission konks out on either one it's going to cost the same.

Quote:
Originally Posted by LenS View Post
But aren't M3 parts cost double a normal 3-series? And I'm sure the labor costs escalate when an M car rolls into a shop...
No way M3 parts cost twice as much. I don't have the time, but you could compare on RealOEM.com. Also, shops have set labor rates per hour... they don't change the unit price based on the car.
Mr. Maboomba is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2010, 09:46 AM   #93
Hartman
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Indianapolis
Posts: 1,404
My Ride: 2000 323i
Quote:
Originally Posted by LenS View Post
But aren't M3 parts cost double a normal 3-series? And I'm sure the labor costs escalate when an M car rolls into a shop...
Labor costs? Roll into a shop?

What are these things you speak of?
__________________
Hartman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2010, 03:45 PM   #94
FutureMD32
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Atlanta
Posts: 1,079
My Ride: 2004 M3
Quote:
Originally Posted by LenS View Post
What I'm curious about is the cost of unexpected repairs/deferred maintenance (not regular maintenance) for an out-of-warranty M3 vs. a 330. I wonder if the several thousand dollars of initial price difference between the two could quickly escalate, so that a low to mid-$20Ks M3 w/ issues could easily cost close to $30K?
You guys make the M3 sound unreliable and expensive to maintain. It's really not as long as you take care of it. Sure the unexpected breakdowns can occur, but they can also happen to the lower model 3 series (i.e. vanos issues). Other than the oil being more expensive, it's not that much different in maintenance with an M3.
__________________
2008 CLK63 Black
2006 CLS55 AMG
2004 BMW M3
1998 Nissan S14 240sx, powered by RB26
1990 Nissan S13 240sx, 630 whp SR20DET
1995 Subaru Legacy, EJ20R, 410 whp
Soon to have 2011 Ford Mustang 5.0
FutureMD32 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2010, 03:48 PM   #95
Mr. Maboomba
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Maryland
Posts: 17
My Ride: 1998 328is
Quote:
Originally Posted by FutureMD32 View Post
You guys make the M3 sound unreliable and expensive to maintain. It's really not as long as you take care of it. Sure the unexpected breakdowns can occur, but they can also happen to the lower model 3 series (i.e. vanos issues). Other than the oil being more expensive, it's not that much different in maintenance with an M3.
What about feeding all those extra horses? Grain is not cheap, and I don't have a big yard.
Mr. Maboomba is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2010, 03:51 PM   #96
FutureMD32
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Atlanta
Posts: 1,079
My Ride: 2004 M3
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Maboomba View Post
What about feeding all those extra horses? Grain is not cheap, and I don't have a big yard.
lol..

fuel costs are going to be higher, but it depends on how much lead is lodged in your foot (or up your arse?)
__________________
2008 CLK63 Black
2006 CLS55 AMG
2004 BMW M3
1998 Nissan S14 240sx, powered by RB26
1990 Nissan S13 240sx, 630 whp SR20DET
1995 Subaru Legacy, EJ20R, 410 whp
Soon to have 2011 Ford Mustang 5.0
FutureMD32 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2010, 05:39 PM   #97
waxman
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Syracuse NY
Posts: 172
My Ride: 02 330xi
If you read this months article in Bimmer mag (May) "Buyer's Guide - Great Drivers-Rapid depreciation of out-of-warranty BMWs means great deals on great driver's cars like those in our Top Ten" it compares the M vs. ZHP in cost of ownership.

EDIT: If you don't subscribe, I highly recommmend it.
__________________

2002 Steel Gray 330xi
2003 Explorer XLS
2006 H-D 1200XLC
waxman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2010, 05:48 PM   #98
AlpineCI
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Central CT
Posts: 552
My Ride: is paint code 300!
Lightbulb

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dcha View Post
^^^ Pissed at us because he knows and we know he paid too much.
As I have said above, I am perfectly content with what I paid for. If you were looking certain options in a car, found THAT car, but the price was a little high, would you pass it up...I HIGHLY doubt it

Quote:
Originally Posted by FutureMD32 View Post
Yea like I said, with the prices these guys are asking, you're getting close to the 08 Mercedes C300 and 06 up Lexus IS350 pricing. Both of these cars are fun to drive as well, are probably still under warranty, require very little maintenance, and are way newer.
This is a BMW forum. People who are interested in BMWs come here and post. If I wanted to get a Benz or a Lexus, I'd make a user on one of their forums and post. I was interested in getting a BMW.


Its easy for everyone to rag on the car since you either dont have one, or dont want one. I fully agree the pricing on these cars is a bit steep. However, if they are too steep as you all say, then why are people still looking for one and willing to pay for one? If you know what you want...you will pay a little extra for it. There are many people on this forum looking for an AW ZHP. Its a fact that they are simply hard to come by. When I saw my car in the lot, I knew I wanted it..so I got it. If you wanted a base 323i, then more power to you.. High five that you paid thousands less than me.

Here you go:
__________________
Alpine White 2004 BMW 330CI ZHP
-stock for now-
-_-

AlpineCI is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2010, 06:06 PM   #99
FutureMD32
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Atlanta
Posts: 1,079
My Ride: 2004 M3
Quote:
Originally Posted by AlpineCI View Post
As I have said above, I am perfectly content with what I paid for. If you were looking certain options in a car, found THAT car, but the price was a little high, would you pass it up...I HIGHLY doubt it



This is a BMW forum. People who are interested in BMWs come here and post. If I wanted to get a Benz or a Lexus, I'd make a user on one of their forums and post. I was interested in getting a BMW.


Its easy for everyone to rag on the car since you either dont have one, or dont want one. I fully agree the pricing on these cars is a bit steep. However, if they are too steep as you all say, then why are people still looking for one and willing to pay for one? If you know what you want...you will pay a little extra for it. There are many people on this forum looking for an AW ZHP. Its a fact that they are simply hard to come by. When I saw my car in the lot, I knew I wanted it..so I got it. If you wanted a base 323i, then more power to you.. High five that you paid thousands less than me.
More power to you and your overpriced AW ZHP. And no, I wouldn't "pay a little extra for it" just because I wanted it. I've walked away from plenty of deals- including my dream Integra Type R because it was overpriced. Paying thousands more is not smart financially and at the end of the day, you have a boring white 330i with a body kit and 10 hp. So congrats.

So YOU keep the cookie my friend.
__________________
2008 CLK63 Black
2006 CLS55 AMG
2004 BMW M3
1998 Nissan S14 240sx, powered by RB26
1990 Nissan S13 240sx, 630 whp SR20DET
1995 Subaru Legacy, EJ20R, 410 whp
Soon to have 2011 Ford Mustang 5.0
FutureMD32 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2010, 06:12 PM   #100
AlpineCI
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Central CT
Posts: 552
My Ride: is paint code 300!
Quote:
Originally Posted by FutureMD32 View Post
More power to you and your overpriced AW ZHP. And no, I wouldn't "pay a little extra for it" just because I wanted it. I've walked away from plenty of deals- including my dream Integra Type R because it was overpriced. Paying thousands more is not smart financially and at the end of the day, you have a boring white 330i with a body kit and 10 hp. So congrats.

So YOU keep the cookie my friend.
agree to disagree
__________________
Alpine White 2004 BMW 330CI ZHP
-stock for now-
-_-


Last edited by AlpineCI; 03-31-2010 at 06:14 PM.
AlpineCI is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Censor is ON





All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:39 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
(c) 1999 - 2011 performanceIX Inc - privacy policy - terms of use