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Old 05-01-2010, 10:06 PM   #261
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Here's my GT with some XT/Deore/Sram drive train, Juicy 5s, Nevs, Fox Float R shock and a SR Suntour Epicon (weak link) fork. Some stock stuff, some not.



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Old 05-02-2010, 12:45 AM   #262
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Going back to your reply to me, you are misunderstanding what I was saying. I didn't say buying the best bike one can afford is bad. I did the same thing. I also didn't say anything bad about the bike he bought- i pointed out multiple times it has great components. My entire point was dropping 2k ON A HARDTAIL is stupid because that price range is so close to the fs bikes, which are 10000x better for mt biking in my opinion. I rode my friend's ht a few times and the feel was night and day compared to my fs.
Neither of you are getting my point:

I understood your point. My point is that $2K is justified when you take the components into account. I'm not saying you didn't concede that he has nice components; all I'm saying is that that's the biggest reason the bike costs $2K. The top-line hardtail Trek 26er costs around $1700, so a well-equipped 29er hardtail is not insane @ $2K. That's all I'm saying.



I can agree with his purchase decision for the following reasons:

1. He is getting a quality frame with quality components. Those level components are the greatest contributor to that price. Buying a FS would have sacrificed component quality. This is unnecessary and not beneficial.

2. A hardtail is more sturdy and reliable option. A FS bike is a lot more maintenance, with lots of little things that can go wrong. His knowledge of proper bike maintenance is probably minimal at the moment, so a bike with a myriad of minor adjustments and maintenance needed isn't necessarily the best option. Like I said already, right now he just should worry about getting on the trail and getting better, not servicing his rear air shock every few hundred hours.

3. A 29er just a better option in most cases. The larger wheel rolls over obstacles better. A larger wheel offers increased centrifugal force, giving the rider a more balanced, solid feeling; the larger wheel also means a larger contact point. These are all incredibly beneficial to a new rider.

Now, with all that said, I'll address this specifically:

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My entire point was dropping 2k ON A HARDTAIL is stupid because that price range is so close to the fs bikes, which are 10000x better for mt biking in my opinion.
You summed it up right there. It's only your opinion, so it seems juvenile to me that there are people in this thread giving terrible post-purchase advice. That price is justified--he didn't get ripped off--so it doesn't matter what else is out there. He bought what he liked, what fit his needs, and what makes him happy. Leave it at that.
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Old 05-02-2010, 12:49 AM   #263
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Here's my GT with some XT/Deore/Sram drive train, Juicy 5s, Nevs, Fox Float R shock and a SR Suntour Epicon (weak link) fork. Some stock stuff, some not.



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Old 05-02-2010, 02:03 PM   #264
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Just got back from a 22 miles / 35 km ride in something like 82 degress. Damn that was hot. And my butt was so sore from the ride yesterday (no h0m0) Highest speed reached 35 miles/hour lol

How the hell do you guys keep your waterbottles cold? I fill mine with icecubes but after 1 hour its almost boiling .
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Old 05-02-2010, 02:38 PM   #265
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just got back from the LBS. Tried out the trek fuel ex5, trek fuel ex6, and giant trance x4. The giant felt the best and was the cheapest ($1400). It felt super solid, and balanced. The fuel ex5 didnt feel right. It was weird because it was the exact same frame (same size too) as the ex 6. The ex6 felt nice, but the giant was great. Now I'm torn. The components on the Giant arent great, but I can upgrade them. Any thoughts?

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Old 05-02-2010, 02:40 PM   #266
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check out the specialized stumpjumper and enduro too.^
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Yeah, I was at another shop closer to my office and they were a specialized dealer. Had the FSR XC comp. Didnt get to take it out. I'll probably head back during the week to check it. How much do the enduros run? The XC was $1700
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maybe just freeze the waterbottle and let it thaw a bit before leaving and as you're riding it'll stay cool
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Old 05-02-2010, 02:59 PM   #269
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Yeah, I was at another shop closer to my office and they were a specialized dealer. Had the FSR XC comp. Didnt get to take it out. I'll probably head back during the week to check it. How much do the enduros run? The XC was $1700
unless you are going to do some hardcore downhill, do not look at the enduro. That is what it is built for, and it is actually really heavy (and is really expensive). Look at the stumpjumper fsr comp
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Old 05-02-2010, 03:01 PM   #270
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Yeah, I was at another shop closer to my office and they were a specialized dealer. Had the FSR XC comp. Didnt get to take it out. I'll probably head back during the week to check it. How much do the enduros run? The XC was $1700
Probably pretty steep, not sure exactly. The newer version has excellent reviews though.

Also check out a Santa Cruz Blur, another great bike. If you can find one used in good condition you may love it.



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Old 05-02-2010, 03:44 PM   #271
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Just got back from a 22 miles / 35 km ride in something like 82 degress. Damn that was hot. And my butt was so sore from the ride yesterday (no h0m0) Highest speed reached 35 miles/hour lol

How the hell do you guys keep your waterbottles cold? I fill mine with icecubes but after 1 hour its almost boiling .

yeah, if you live in a hot area, you'll need to invest in a thermal water bottle

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Even with that though, they're still going to warm up eventually, just not as fast. In the dead of summer here in TX (110 degrees), I will typically freeze my bottles overnight

you could also buy a camel back, and put plenty of ice
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Old 05-02-2010, 04:29 PM   #272
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No - you misunderstood. I said it gives you similar capabilities to ride various terrain. As in, a 29 inch wheeled bike will roll smoothly over a succession of exposed tree roots. A 26 inch wheeled full-suspension bike will roll similarly over the same grouping of tree roots. I never said it replaces the shock absorption associated with a full suspension bicycle.

First off, you're contradicting yourself......you clearly have a pretty flawed understanding of 29ers and suspensions in general. Which leads me to believe you've probably never spent time on one. So please stop with the "textbook" quotes on the benefits of a 29er.

Again, I've ridden them for 4yrs, and I've never at any point in this thread tried to steer Ara away from them or disputed their advantages.

Secondly and most importantly, it's obvious you're just typing up a bunch of stuff without really reading either of our responses (or comprehending properly)......since you're just rehashing some of the same points I've made in some form or another during the course of this thread.

For instance, I've already addressed the issue of individual budgets being different a few pages back. Plus more importantly, I've already conceded that Ara's purchase was driven by special circumstances (i.e lack of availability). I'm the last person to ever try to tell anyone how to spend their money

Finally, your points on FS vs Hardtail ownership for a new rider are sooo wrong, I'm not even sure where to begin (or care to quite frankly)...going by your logic, no NEW rider should ever buy an FS bike I guess

I'm not going to derail this thread further, but I strongly suggest you go back and read all of my posts before you accuse me of giving "bad advice"
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just got back from the LBS. Tried out the trek fuel ex5, trek fuel ex6, and giant trance x4. The giant felt the best and was the cheapest ($1400). It felt super solid, and balanced. The fuel ex5 didnt feel right. It was weird because it was the exact same frame (same size too) as the ex 6. The ex6 felt nice, but the giant was great. Now I'm torn. The components on the Giant arent great, but I can upgrade them. Any thoughts?
The ex5 and ex6 may have been the same size, but even a few differences in components between them (like stem length/rise, shock air pressure, saddle height etc) can significantly alter the feel of a frame.

You should definitely go with the one that "feels" better, components CAN always be upgraded. I cannot stress the importance of getting a frame that fits well. I spent years and thousands of $$ buying and selling frames and trying to make them fit.

Plus at that price point, there really isn't a HUGE amount of an upgrade with the Ex6 components.

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Old 05-02-2010, 04:59 PM   #274
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unless you are going to do some hardcore downhill, do not look at the enduro. That is what it is built for, and it is actually really heavy (and is really expensive). Look at the stumpjumper fsr comp
True. I would like an enduro, and if this was a few years ago I would consider it. But now I plan on using this bike to commute to the office too - something I never ever did in the past. The Trek Fuel EX's have the pro-pedal which SHOULD help a lot when commuting as well. Are bike shops flexible on negotiating price? Never really bargained at a bikeshop before.
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The ex5 and ex6 may have been the same size, but even a few differences in components between them (like stem length/rise, shock air pressure, saddle height etc) can significantly alter the feel of a frame.

You should definitely go with the one that "feels" better, components CAN always be upgraded. I cannot stress the importance of getting a frame that fits well. I spent years and thousands of $$ buying and selling frames and trying to make them fit.

Plus at that price point, there really isn't a HUGE amount of an upgrade with the Ex6 components.
Good points. I immediately thought to myself - its the sram shifters. The Ex6 has the shimano which I much prefer and so did the giant. The grips on the giant were beefier too, which made a big difference.
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Old 05-02-2010, 08:38 PM   #276
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First off, you're contradicting yourself......you clearly have a pretty flawed understanding of 29ers and suspensions in general. Which leads me to believe you've probably never spent time on one. So please stop with the "textbook" quotes on the benefits of a 29er.

Again, I've ridden them for 4yrs, and I've never at any point in this thread tried to steer Ara away from them or disputed their advantages.

Secondly and most importantly, it's obvious you're just typing up a bunch of stuff without really reading either of our responses (or comprehending properly)......since you're just rehashing some of the same points I've made in some form or another during the course of this thread.

For instance, I've already addressed the issue of individual budgets being different a few pages back. Plus more importantly, I've already conceded that Ara's purchase was driven by special circumstances (i.e lack of availability). I'm the last person to ever try to tell anyone how to spend their money

Finally, your points on FS vs Hardtail ownership for a new rider are sooo wrong, I'm not even sure where to begin (or care to quite frankly)...going by your logic, no NEW rider should ever buy an FS bike I guess

I'm not going to derail this thread further, but I strongly suggest you go back and read all of my posts before you accuse me of giving "bad advice"
Okay, I can see why you're still not understanding what I'm saying. I meant rolling smoothly as in it's easier to ride over the obstacles. This is very much true. A larger wheel rolls over objects better than a smaller one. I didn't say the rider won't have a harsher ride with the hardtail.

Now, you're actually the one not understanding here. I gave points why I can agree with ara's purchase based on his circumstances. Each rider has different needs. It was obvious ara just wanted to get out and ride, so a hard tail is the best choice for him because it gets him out there fast, without much that can go wrong. Get it now? I never said that a beginner shouldn't get a FS. It should just be a beginner that is ready and aware of the extra responsibility that a FS entails.

I never said you were the one giving bad advice. I just see it as juvenile and unnecessary to say stuff like 'that's a stupid purchase, a FS is only $500 more'...'$2K is stupid to spend on a hardtail'. I felt that in this case, $2K was justified because of the reasons I listed, that's why I listed them. I know you and others conceded to some of those--I never said you didn't--but then I don't see why such rude comments were necessary.

Please stop taking this so personally... But if you really want to compare saddle time, I've been riding various mountain bikes for 10+ years. I own and spend a lot of time on a Turner XCE - one of the best FS bikes ever - so I'm a great advocate for FS under the right circumstances.
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Are bike shops flexible on negotiating price? Never really bargained at a bikeshop before.
yes definitely, depending on your negotiating skills and bike availability, you might be able to get some $$ off and/or a few extras thrown in. Never hurts to ask
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Old 05-03-2010, 11:27 AM   #278
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I personally prefer a HT over a FS.
I've been riding MTB's for over 20 years now and just the one of the last weekends they had the Trek Factory Tour there and I rode a 26"FS as well as a 29"er FS.

For me, it takes the technical and fun part out of the ride.
On my HT I'm always thinking "which way would water flow" and that's the line I'm riding. With a FS you don't have to worry much and just go over things and you can mostly remain seated, while I have to get out of the saddle on my HT.
But I love it when the chain slams against the chainstay and you get the feeling the bike is going to fall apart and burst into 1000 pieces any minute now!

Then I rode the 29"er FS, with that thing I felt like I'm in a big SUV....the recliner of a MTB.....you can really pick the worst line and it doesn't matter.

Tried also a 29"er HT, but it's just not as agile and even though I know it's not true, but I feel like I'm high up on a bike.

Well after the 29"er FS I went back on my HT and man!!!!!!!!!!!!
Like a rocket.....agile......fast.......direct.....handles like a BMX Bike.....accelerates like a Roadbike.

I would maybe get a FS for some versatility, but I don't think I would replace y HT with anything.

For a new rider it's definitely better to start with a HT or even have a rigid bike, because that's how you learn.

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Great looking bike, is that a Scott?
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Old 05-03-2010, 12:12 PM   #280
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Until I opened this thread, I was set on a HT. Then I started thinking of all the crazy things I used to do on my FS, I couldnt give it up. < 17 lbs!? That is super light
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