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Old 07-17-2012, 11:51 AM   #1001
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Is that a Rase seatpost?

Edit: I see it's a Fox. didn't see your reply at first.
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Old 07-17-2012, 11:55 AM   #1002
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Can anyone give me any feedback on this??? I'm looking to pick up a casual mountain bike for daily after work cardio or riding around my local area and MAYBE some nearby trails. Don't want to spend a fortune, but do really want disc brakes. How is this bike/deal?

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Old 07-17-2012, 01:24 PM   #1003
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Don't buy a cheap Full Suspension bike; more weight, plus more moving parts that are likely to break.

For that price you can get a solid entry level hardtail with disc brakes (Trek 3500 and Specialized hardrock come to mind, but there are a few others)

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Old 07-17-2012, 01:46 PM   #1004
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Don't buy a cheap Full Suspension bike; more weight, plus more moving parts that are likely to break.

For that price you can get a solid entry level hardtail with disc brakes (Trek 3500 and Specialized hardrock come to mind, but there are a few others)
The reviews on it seem to be very good, plus it has disc brakes. I rode my friend's bike with disc brakes and really want them. The bikes you recommended seem nice but no discs. I am not opposed to a hardtail though, however, the level of "abuse" I will put the bike through (minimal if any) is unlikely going to break anything.

Hell, something like this is probably enough for me for street riding.

http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/gravity/g29ss.htm
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Old 07-17-2012, 02:17 PM   #1005
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The reviews on it seem to be very good....
If you really want it, go for it, but I've answered the question you initially asked


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...plus it has disc brakes. I rode my friend's bike with disc brakes and really want them.The bikes you recommended seem nice but no discs...
Getting hung up on components alone is the wrong way to buy a bike, since components can easily be upgraded. The most important thing is to have a solid frame, that fits you (which is why your local bike store is a great place to start)

But in any case, both are available with discs

Trek 3500 Disc

http://www.trekbikes.com/us/en/bikes...ies/3500_disc/

Specialized Hardrock

http://www.artscyclery.com/Specializ...ge-SP3HDB.html

I'm not trying to tell you that the above 2 are your only options, just pointing out a few examples of bikes that are better bargains for your $$ in the long run. There are more

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I am not opposed to a hardtail though, however, the level of "abuse" I will put the bike through (minimal if any) is unlikely going to break anything.
All Mountain bikes ridden off-road will be abused, by default. ALL

Those Gravity bikes you just posted will probably hold up longer than the Full Suspension you initially posted (beware that it is a Single speed though...one gear)
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If you really want it, go for it, but I've answered the question you initially asked




Getting hung up on components alone is the wrong way to buy a bike, since components can easily be upgraded. The most important thing is to have a solid frame, that fits you (which is why your local bike store is a great place to start)

But in any case, both are available with discs

Trek 3500 Disc

http://www.trekbikes.com/us/en/bikes...ies/3500_disc/

Specialized Hardrock

http://www.artscyclery.com/Specializ...ge-SP3HDB.html

I'm not trying to tell you that the above 2 are your only options, just pointing out a few examples of bikes that are better bargains for your $$ in the long run. There are more



All Mountain bikes ridden off-road will be abused, by default. ALL

Those Gravity bikes you just posted will probably hold up longer than the Full Suspension you initially posted (beware that it is a Single speed though...one gear)
I appreciate your advice, truly. However, I gotta be honest with myself, 99.99% of the time, the bike will be on pavement. Since you seem to know your bikes, which style will be more comfortable on pavement? Full suspension or a hard tail? Also, why is a full suspension bike heavier? I figured if it's missing that rear tube section, it would be lighter no? Also, what is the right size/way to buy a bike. I am 6' tall. Do I want a 26", 29", etc? The specialized link you posted shows 13"-21". Those are obviously not the tire sizes, so what is the correct way to buy them?
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Hardtail for pavement. 26" and 29" are wheel sizes and are a preference not always indicative of height.
Being 6' you would want 18-20 in depending on what you like. Some bikes refer to this as M or L.

No question, I would get that Trek or Specialized.
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Hardtail for pavement. 26" and 29" are wheel sizes and are a preference not always indicative of height.
Being 6' you would want 18-20 in depending on what you like. Some bikes refer to this as M or L.

No question, I would get that Trek or Specialized.
Thank you. I will take a walk to a local store right now and check them out.
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Do you guys recommend a local store or bikesdirect.com? It seems (key word, seems) that you can get FAR more bike for the money on bikesdirect.

The MSRP on the Trek is $479. Lets say a local store will sell it for $425. On bikesdirect, it seems you can get a $1400 bike for that money.
http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/gravity/fsx_3.htm
http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/..._whitefork.htm

If comparing apples to apples (similar style bikes) it seems they are cheaper for the same type of bike...
http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/..._adventure.htm
http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/...500_x_sale.htm

Again, not arguing with you guys, just curious as to what is the best deal, and what will give me the most bike for the money.
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Old 07-17-2012, 03:11 PM   #1010
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I appreciate your advice, truly. However, I gotta be honest with myself, 99.99% of the time, the bike will be on pavement.
Since you seem to know your bikes, which style will be more comfortable on pavement? Full suspension or a hard tail? Also, why is a full suspension bike heavier? I figured if it's missing that rear tube section, it would be lighter no?

A full suspension by default is heavier because it has more components.

It has 2 Suspension systems (one in the front and one in the back) versus a Hardtail which has just one. The additional shock, plus the pivoting mechanism required to make it work adds weight (note that this also adds flex and pedal bob to the rear end...all which make it better suited to pure off-road use)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicycle_suspension

Of course there are FS bikes out there that are just as light as hardtails, but not at the price you're asking about.

As for frame and wheel sizing, neither can really be determined by anyone other than you. You really need to take a few test rides at a local bike store. Taller people tend to gravitate towards 29inch wheels, but it is not set in stone. You will most likely need between a 17-19 (frame size)
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Do you guys recommend a local store or bikesdirect.com? It seems (key word, seems) that you can get FAR more bike for the money on bikesdirect.

The MSRP on the Trek is $479. Lets say a local store will sell it for $425. On bikesdirect, it seems you can get a $1400 bike for that money.
http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/gravity/fsx_3.htm
http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/..._whitefork.htm

If comparing apples to apples (similar style bikes) it seems they are cheaper for the same type of bike...
http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/..._adventure.htm
http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/...500_x_sale.htm

Again, not arguing with you guys, just curious as to what is the best deal, and what will give me the most bike for the money.
Local Bike shop, without a doubt.

You're buying a product that will require maintenance over time. Establishing a relationship with a good, knowledgeable local store will save you a ton of $$ and hassle over time.

You might appear to pay a bit more initially, but will gain more knowledge and support in return. The fitting process alone makes buying local worth it, because it can be fairly complicated depending on your build/body type/previous injuries etc

You can start buying online once you figure out what you're doing.

I don't really want to disparage bikesdirect and motobecane, but you need to ask yourself how they're able to offer the "same bikes" for so much less (hint: they're cutting corners somewhere)

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Old 07-17-2012, 03:44 PM   #1012
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Do you guys recommend a local store or bikesdirect.com? It seems (key word, seems) that you can get FAR more bike for the money on bikesdirect.

The MSRP on the Trek is $479. Lets say a local store will sell it for $425. On bikesdirect, it seems you can get a $1400 bike for that money.
http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/gravity/fsx_3.htm
http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/..._whitefork.htm

If comparing apples to apples (similar style bikes) it seems they are cheaper for the same type of bike...
http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/..._adventure.htm
http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/...500_x_sale.htm

Again, not arguing with you guys, just curious as to what is the best deal, and what will give me the most bike for the money.
As with all things, you can probably save the most $s buying online.

The advantages of buying at your lbs are that you can test ride/demo multiple models and sizes in advance, you can get 1:1 advice and help from a local "expert" (assuming your lbs has good, knowledgeable guys), they may be inclined to be more helpful and service-oriented when you need the bike serviced or fixed, and they may have events/group rides/schwag for customers that bought bikes from them.

It's up to you to decide if those items are of enough value to you to be worth paying more $s than if you buy a bike online.


If you're rarely going to go offroad, I'd strongly suggest a hardtail. Full suspension = more money, more weight, more moving parts that can break/wear out/require adjustment. And the only real reason for a full suspension bike is that it can handle bigger bumps with more comfort than a hardtail.

So if you're riding on pavement and just want to be able to hop on and off curbs, be comfortable over potholes and occasionally cut across an empty lot, I think you'd be best served by a hardtail.

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Old 07-17-2012, 03:54 PM   #1013
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Local Bike shop, without a doubt.

You're buying a product that will require maintenance over time. Establishing a relationship with a good, knowledgeable local store will save you a ton of $$ and hassle over time.

You might appear to pay a bit more initially, but will gain more knowledge and support in return. The fitting process alone makes buying local worth it, because it can be fairly complicated depending on your build/body type/previous injuries etc

You can start buying online once you figure out what you're doing.

I don't really want to disparage bikesdirect and motobecane, but you need to ask yourself how they're able to offer the "same bikes" for so much less (hint: they're cutting corners somewhere)
Just got back from the local bike shop. The prices are MSRP, so $480 for the 3500 and $600 for Trek Wahoo. That, plus tax seems a little steep. I'm not a fan of retail. I try hard to support local stores, but this makes it difficult. Since I maintain all my cars, built my s2000 motor, and did the suspension on my Jeep, I am confident that I can maintain a bike, although I do realize that they are a bit different. Also, as for the lower price, all the big names have to pay a lot for lots of things, not to mention, they are marked up a lot. Another thing I have read, is that the same company that produces the frames for Trek, Gary Fischer, etc produce the frames for these smaller companies.

From everything I read, bikedirect is sort of like this...you can buy an alienware for $3000 or you can custom build a pc with the same or better components for half the price, but without the name. It seems bikedirect is a like a pc builder of bikes.
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Old 07-17-2012, 03:55 PM   #1014
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A full suspension by default is heavier because it has more components.

It has 2 Suspension systems (one in the front and one in the back) versus a Hardtail which has just one. The additional shock, plus the pivoting mechanism required to make it work adds weight (note that this also adds flex and pedal bob to the rear end...all which make it better suited to pure off-road use)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicycle_suspension

Of course there are FS bikes out there that are just as light as hardtails, but not at the price you're asking about.

As for frame and wheel sizing, neither can really be determined by anyone other than you. You really need to take a few test rides at a local bike store. Taller people tend to gravitate towards 29inch wheels, but it is not set in stone. You will most likely need between a 17-19 (frame size)
Perfect call. The guy at the store said I would be between 17-19 and highly recommended the 29" tire for road use.
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I'm not a fan of bikesdirect. Spend the extra hundred and get a real bike frame.
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+1 support a local business.

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I think bikesdirect.com sells fair bikes at a great price. If you're not an enthusiast (like some guys in this thread) then you will get a better equipped bike at bikesdirect.com then going to walmart, sports authority or a local bike shop and picking up some low end bike (like a raleigh or schwinn or something). DO NOT get a full suspension bike. I'd recommend a 29"
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lol...not totally sure yet. I've got a Santa Cruz Superlight and may be building up something more all-mountain oriented, possibly a Nomad or a Specialized Enduro.
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I'm not a fan of bikesdirect. Spend the extra hundred and get a real bike frame.
Their bike frames are exactly the same as most mid market bikes, including Trek as they are made by the same company. Furthermore, it's not an extra $100. It's an extra $500 at the MINIMUM.
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lol...not totally sure yet. I've got a Santa Cruz Superlight and may be building up something more all-mountain oriented, possibly a Nomad or a Specialized Enduro.
Why you no post pics of trick ass bikes ITT? Or did you and I just missed them?
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