Boring a 3.0L engine

Bimmerboy330ci · 11-10-2010, 07:06 PM

How big would i be able to bore my 3 liter engine?
I dont want to sell my car and get an M3 im just wondering for the car i have. Thanks

TerraPhantm · 11-10-2010, 11:28 PM

I'm no expert, but from what I've read, it'd be pretty difficult to pull off. The cylinder walls are apparently already quite thin with pretty much no room to bore out and re-sleeve. With that said, I don't think it's impossible, since Hamann at one point was boring out m54s to about 3.2 or 3.3L

mkodama · 11-11-2010, 01:06 AM

Boring an M54 engine is a waste of time and money if you want power. Getting a supercharger or turbo kit is the only way to go if you want to try and compare your engine power to an M3.

///Orient3 · 11-11-2010, 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Bimmerboy330ci

How big would i be able to bore my 3 liter engine?
I dont want to sell my car and get an M3 im just wondering for the car i have. Thanks

.5mm over...There isn't much more to be had.

Jackcat559 · 11-11-2010, 06:21 PM

I went to 84.5MM easily. There's more left in the sleeve, but supercharging is more cost effective

TerraPhantm · 11-11-2010, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Jackcat559

I went to 84.5MM easily. There's more left in the sleeve, but supercharging is more cost effective

84.5mm would make it ~3.05L, right? How much of an increase in power would you get?

Is boring to S52 displacement (86.4mm) possible?

Jackcat559 · 11-12-2010, 04:35 AM

There's enough material on the steel liner, but I wouldn't do it. Add the costs of pistons, machine shop, labor and tuning and you could be at the cost nice supercharger kit, but probably less power than a supercharger.

TerraPhantm · 11-12-2010, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Jackcat559

There's enough material on the steel liner, but I wouldn't do it. Add the costs of pistons, machine shop, labor and tuning and you could be at the cost nice supercharger kit, but probably less power than a supercharger.

I'd imagine you can use the rotating assembly from an E36 M right? The crank is already the same.

And I know a supercharger would be much more cost effective - I was only asking for academic purposes. I probably won't put any more money into this car, I'd rather just get an M3

tesko.pk · 11-12-2010, 01:19 PM

Alpina were able to go up to 3.3L with their E46 B3's.

aggieE46 · 11-12-2010, 01:47 PM

Not an M54.

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Originally Posted by tesko.pk

Alpina were able to go up to 3.3L with their E46 B3's.

TerraPhantm · 11-12-2010, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by tesko.pk

Alpina were able to go up to 3.3L with their E46 B3's.

Those were tweaked s50s iirc

Hornung418 · 12-23-2011, 03:29 PM

Okay...so I'm bumping this because I'll be getting a spare M52TUB28 for free (Overheated). It will be taken apart and built for tracking. Looking to keep the displacement squared and use the S52 Crank (85.8mm). So I'm wondering if I can squeeze .9mm out of the cylinder wall/sleeve combo to get a total displacement of 2.976 Liters. In doing so, hopefully avoiding the Harmonic issues caused by the longer stroke of the M54B30. With the larger displacement I can theoretically run a Modified 330 MS43 DME. How low would this bring the Compression Ratio down to? And would it take to a turbocharger better than a super charger? Just trying to think outside the typical modifications on paper. Thanks guys.

mkodama · 12-23-2011, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Hornung418

Okay...so I'm bumping this because I'll be getting a spare M52TUB28 for free (Overheated). It will be taken apart and built for tracking. Looking to keep the displacement squared and use the S52 Crank (85.8mm). So I'm wondering if I can squeeze .9mm out of the cylinder wall/sleeve combo to get a total displacement of 2.976 Liters. In doing so, hopefully avoiding the Harmonic issues caused by the longer stroke of the M54B30. With the larger displacement I can theoretically run a Modified 330 MS43 DME. How low would this bring the Compression Ratio down to? And would it take to a turbocharger better than a super charger? Just trying to think outside the typical modifications on paper. Thanks guys.

Sounds like a lot of money, and a lot of hurdles, for no gains.

What issues with crankshaft harmonics have you already had on the track?

Hornung418 · 12-23-2011, 08:39 PM

Got ahead of myself...no track car yet. This will be transplanted into an e30.

But...everything I've read about the tracked B30s have resulted in some sort of OPN failure and harmonic damper issues. I haven't read any with the B25 and B28, which have undersquare and square displacements. I'd like to see if this would develop these issues with a square displacement modified B30. I'm going to have new pistons and conrods anyway...it's not going to affect the price that much I don't think. Aside from the cost to Bore out the cylinder/sleeve combo .9mm to increase the total bore to 85.8mm, everything else was going to be bought no matter what. This is also a long term job so money isn't as much an object with this as it's more a whenever I have some spare cash kind of deal. Just doing the research.

So can you squeeze out .9 mm from the cylinder wall/sleeve combo in the M52TU/M54 block, and how would this affect the Compression Ratio?

tinkwithanr · 12-24-2011, 01:56 PM

Shouldn't really affect the compression ratio, mostly because you'll be having pistons made to whatever CP you want.

Hornung418 · 12-24-2011, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by tinkwithanr

Shouldn't really affect the compression ratio, mostly because you'll be having pistons made to whatever CP you want.

Okay thanks, tink! I forgot about that.

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IMRD330Ci · 12-24-2011, 02:14 PM

Supercharger baby

sedanpowersc · 12-24-2011, 04:45 PM

I remember seeing a german site a few months back that was selling stroker kits for b30's. They claimed 3.3l with a 40whp gain for like $8k. I wish I could remember the site, never checked again cause 8k wasn't reasonable.

Edit: found it, 3.3l making 286hp and 342Nm, at the low low cost of $11,800. But its for a brand new motor built in Germany.

mkodama · 12-24-2011, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by sedanpowersc

I remember seeing a german site a few months back that was selling stroker kits for b30's. They claimed 3.3l with a 40whp gain for like $8k. I wish I could remember the site, never checked again cause 8k wasn't reasonable.

Edit: found it, 3.3l making 286hp and 342Nm, at the low low cost of $11,800. But its for a brand new motor built in Germany.

Sounds like the Alpina E46 B3 3.3, which somebody already mentioned wasn't an M54 or M52tu.

sedanpowersc · 12-24-2011, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by mkodama

Sounds like the Alpina E46 B3 3.3, which somebody already mentioned wasn't an M54 or M52tu.

Dunno, Idk anything about how they did theirs. Here's the link, says "3.3l engine (basis BMW M54 B30)" on the site

http://www.noellemotors.de/3_3l_engi...57d93e4.0.html

11-10-2010, 07:06 PM	#1
Bimmerboy330ci Registered User Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Morgan Hill Posts: 7 My Ride: 2001 BMW 330ci View My Garage	Boring a 3.0L engine How big would i be able to bore my 3 liter engine? I dont want to sell my car and get an M3 im just wondering for the car i have. Thanks

11-10-2010, 11:28 PM	#2
TerraPhantm Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Mountain Top Posts: 5,005 My Ride: 2005 M3 Coupe View My Garage	I'm no expert, but from what I've read, it'd be pretty difficult to pull off. The cylinder walls are apparently already quite thin with pretty much no room to bore out and re-sleeve. With that said, I don't think it's impossible, since Hamann at one point was boring out m54s to about 3.2 or 3.3L Last edited by TerraPhantm; 11-10-2010 at 11:30 PM.

11-11-2010, 01:06 AM	#3
mkodama Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 31,531 View My Garage	Boring an M54 engine is a waste of time and money if you want power. Getting a supercharger or turbo kit is the only way to go if you want to try and compare your engine power to an M3. __________________

12-23-2011, 03:29 PM	#12
Hornung418 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Bel Air, MD/ WVU Posts: 880 My Ride: 328/4/5 View My Garage	Okay...so I'm bumping this because I'll be getting a spare M52TUB28 for free (Overheated). It will be taken apart and built for tracking. Looking to keep the displacement squared and use the S52 Crank (85.8mm). So I'm wondering if I can squeeze .9mm out of the cylinder wall/sleeve combo to get a total displacement of 2.976 Liters. In doing so, hopefully avoiding the Harmonic issues caused by the longer stroke of the M54B30. With the larger displacement I can theoretically run a Modified 330 MS43 DME. How low would this bring the Compression Ratio down to? And would it take to a turbocharger better than a super charger? Just trying to think outside the typical modifications on paper. Thanks guys. __________________

12-23-2011, 08:39 PM	#14
Hornung418 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Bel Air, MD/ WVU Posts: 880 My Ride: 328/4/5 View My Garage	Got ahead of myself...no track car yet. This will be transplanted into an e30. But...everything I've read about the tracked B30s have resulted in some sort of OPN failure and harmonic damper issues. I haven't read any with the B25 and B28, which have undersquare and square displacements. I'd like to see if this would develop these issues with a square displacement modified B30. I'm going to have new pistons and conrods anyway...it's not going to affect the price that much I don't think. Aside from the cost to Bore out the cylinder/sleeve combo .9mm to increase the total bore to 85.8mm, everything else was going to be bought no matter what. This is also a long term job so money isn't as much an object with this as it's more a whenever I have some spare cash kind of deal. Just doing the research. So can you squeeze out .9 mm from the cylinder wall/sleeve combo in the M52TU/M54 block, and how would this affect the Compression Ratio? __________________

11-11-2010, 06:21 PM	#5
Jackcat559 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 124 My Ride: 2003 530 View My Garage	I went to 84.5MM easily. There's more left in the sleeve, but supercharging is more cost effective

11-12-2010, 04:35 AM	#7
Jackcat559 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 124 My Ride: 2003 530 View My Garage	There's enough material on the steel liner, but I wouldn't do it. Add the costs of pistons, machine shop, labor and tuning and you could be at the cost nice supercharger kit, but probably less power than a supercharger.

11-12-2010, 01:19 PM	#9
tesko.pk Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Location: Calgary Posts: 331 My Ride: 2003 530i View My Garage	Alpina were able to go up to 3.3L with their E46 B3's.

12-24-2011, 01:56 PM	#15
tinkwithanr Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springfield OH Posts: 709 My Ride: '00 323i + '75 2002 View My Garage	Shouldn't really affect the compression ratio, mostly because you'll be having pistons made to whatever CP you want. __________________ ^^Mica_____________________________Fiona^^

12-24-2011, 02:14 PM	#17
IMRD330Ci Registered User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: colorado springs Posts: 10 My Ride: 330CI ZHP View My Garage	Supercharger baby

12-24-2011, 04:45 PM	#18
sedanpowersc Registered User Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: South Carolina Posts: 641 My Ride: 330i 5 speed View My Garage	I remember seeing a german site a few months back that was selling stroker kits for b30's. They claimed 3.3l with a 40whp gain for like $8k. I wish I could remember the site, never checked again cause 8k wasn't reasonable. Edit: found it, 3.3l making 286hp and 342Nm, at the low low cost of $11,800. But its for a brand new motor built in Germany. Last edited by sedanpowersc; 12-24-2011 at 04:51 PM.

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