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Old 01-08-2013, 04:54 PM   #4641
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10 seconds a day is not bad at all for a non COSC watch. Do you remove it to bed? Shower? Morning dump? That all adds up also you need to make sure that the mainspring is wound, even though its an automatic.
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Old 01-08-2013, 05:42 PM   #4642
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I don't think there's any way I would ever notice losing 10 seconds a day.
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Old 01-08-2013, 05:43 PM   #4643
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I don't think there's any way I would ever notice losing 10 seconds a day.
after a few days, it adds up
that's how it is for me when i'm in LA
i don't move enough
at least not while wearing the watch
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Old 01-08-2013, 05:44 PM   #4644
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I don't think there's any way I would ever notice losing 10 seconds a day.
Sure you would.....after a week or 2. My one Invicta Auto gains about that or a little more per day..I have to keep setting it back
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Old 01-08-2013, 05:44 PM   #4645
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I don't think there's any way I would ever notice losing 10 seconds a day.
Not sure if he meant 10 seconds or 10 minutes. Probably 10 minutes. I can't fathom a human being able to notice 10 seconds. My post above is also a typo, I meant 10 minutes. If the mainspring is completely unwound, and he removes the watch for bed/shower, and it might need a service, 10 minutes is not out of the ordinary, especially since it isn't a COSC.
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Old 01-08-2013, 05:45 PM   #4646
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I usually wind up having my watch wind down over the weekend so I have to reset it. So I doubt I'd ever notice.
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Sure you would.....after a week or 2. My one Invicta Auto gains about that or a little more per day..I have to keep setting it back
He said 10 seconds per 24 hours...that is really hard to notice.
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Old 01-08-2013, 05:46 PM   #4648
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Not sure if he meant 10 seconds or 10 minutes. Probably 10 minutes. I can't fathom a human being able to notice 10 seconds. My post above is also a typo, I meant 10 minutes. If the mainspring is completely unwound, and he removes the watch for bed/shower, and it might need a service, 10 minutes is not out of the ordinary, especially since it isn't a COSC.
Oh, 10 minutes is a totally different story.
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He said 10 seconds per 24 hours...that is really hard to notice.
Agreed...but over 2 weeks that is 140 seconds...significant in my book
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Could be mistaken, but I think I remember reading somewhere that cosc certified watches can go from -4/+6 seconds to still be considered accurate. If you're losing 10, there's something wrong
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Could be mistaken, but I think I remember reading somewhere that cosc certified watches can go from -4/+6 seconds to still be considered accurate. If you're losing 10, there's something wrong
A PAM312 is not a COSC movement, which means, it is less accurate. Add that to a possible need for service, and most probably, a completely unwound mainspring, and you are looking at 2 hours of reserve power. Add that to sleep and shower, you can lose 30 minutes in a 24 hour period.
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A PAM312 is not a COSC movement, which means, it is less accurate. Add that to a possible need for service, and most probably, a completely unwound mainspring, and you are looking at 2 hours of reserve power. Add that to sleep and shower, you can lose 30 minutes in a 24 hour period.
ouch, such an expensive watch and not certified. i know most arent, but had assumed this one was
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when using a watch winder, how can i look up what frequency and direction my particular watches are supposed to be set to?
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A PAM312 is not a COSC movement, which means, it is less accurate. Add that to a possible need for service, and most probably, a completely unwound mainspring, and you are looking at 2 hours of reserve power. Add that to sleep and shower, you can lose 30 minutes in a 24 hour period.
I believe any pam with a sec hand is certified, from what i heard on paneristi. But google says otherwise
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I believe any pam with a sec hand is certified, from what i heard on paneristi. But google says otherwise
That's watchuseek info. Not all pams with a second hand are COSC. The 312 is not. It's also not about the money. There are far cheaper watches than a 312 that are COSC. COSC is also not a big deal for 99.999999% of people. It's just a dick measuring contest, something to brag to your friends. I want to know if the OP (OP of the problem) ever wound the mainspring since he got the watch, or since the last time it was stopped. To get maximum power reserve (about 40 hours or so on a PAM), the mainspring needs to be fully wound, and the watch worn. With the spring unwound, you are looking at only a few hours of power until the watch will come to a complete stop.
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I have not seen this watch on here yet.

It is a Marathon GSAR Automatic. It has sapphire crystal, Tritium hands and hour markings, and ETA-2824-2 movement. So far it has been running around 5 seconds a day fast. I love it and I wear it 24/7 unless I am lucky and bring a girl home...
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That's watchuseek info. Not all pams with a second hand are COSC. The 312 is not. It's also not about the money. There are far cheaper watches than a 312 that are COSC. COSC is also not a big deal for 99.999999% of people. It's just a dick measuring contest, something to brag to your friends. I want to know if the OP (OP of the problem) ever wound the mainspring since he got the watch, or since the last time it was stopped. To get maximum power reserve (about 40 hours or so on a PAM), the mainspring needs to be fully wound, and the watch worn. With the spring unwound, you are looking at only a few hours of power until the watch will come to a complete stop.
Good advice...I had a pam 112 and your suppose to fully wind the watch every night as any watch imo. I even try to do that to my auto rolexes at least once a month to even out the mainspring
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I have not seen this watch on here yet.

It is a Marathon GSAR Automatic. It has sapphire crystal, Tritium hands and hour markings, and ETA-2824-2 movement. So far it has been running around 5 seconds a day fast. I love it and I wear it 24/7 unless I am lucky and bring a girl home...
thats a great watch from all the reviews I read...would look killer on a nato strap
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thats a great watch from all the reviews I read...would look killer on a nato strap
I have both the olive drab and the black straps. I like both, very comfortable but I like the stainless band the best. It balances the watch and looks great with everything from a t-shirt to a suit.
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I believe any pam with a sec hand is certified, from what i heard on paneristi. But google says otherwise
if it doesn't say COSC certified, it isn't.
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