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Old 03-21-2013, 11:50 AM   #5221
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Real is $6000 Fake is $500.
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Old 03-21-2013, 11:50 AM   #5222
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I honestly don't see any difference
You don't see a difference because the movement is a real movement. Some PAMs used to use off the shelf movements.
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Old 03-21-2013, 11:53 AM   #5223
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This. The "fake" one looks as quality as the real one. So what are you loosing by going fake
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I may as well turn this in something educational, so that people don't think I'm trying to push fake watches around here.

Like I said earlier, thanks to CNC machines, water jets, CAD software, etc, these factories are able to pump out flawless copies of many critical components, and out of correct materials (316L steel.)

Lets take a look at a PAM111 for this example, since it is one of the best reps out there.

Here is a mediocre $200 fake.




Now, unless you know the 111 inside out, OR have a real 111 sitting next to this one, it will fool 99% of the public. I want to show you guys how good they are getting so you don't think "looks great, it must be real."

Here is a real one (sorry for the massive photo, it will help you understand)


Here is a fake one


Now, one of the "easiest ways" to tell the real from the fake is..

1) On the fake, the crown is a bit too thin, which creates a larger gap in the crown guard. We are talking about 1mm btw. This can be easily solved by buying a "correct" fake crown for $20.
2) The grown guard pin is rounded off, and not flush. This can be solved by grinding the pin down flush.
3) The L SWISS MADE L on the fake is too close to the 6.

Now, the factories that produce these fakes often have versions, ie V1, V2, etc etc. Each version is an improvement of the last, where they fix the flaws of the previous one. Once they get up to about V5 or so, the watch is damn near identical.
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Old 03-21-2013, 12:07 PM   #5225
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This. The "fake" one looks as quality as the real one. So what are you loosing by going fake
Your own "self pride." Some people wear fakes without a problem. I know people that earn 1.5MM a year+ bonus and wear fake pams to work. I know guys with REAL Rolexes and wear fake ones so that they don't beat them up. Some people can't do fakes because THEY know it's a fake. Basically the same reason why if you gave your girl a 99.6% as good fake LV bag, she wouldnt be NEARLY as happy as the real deal, irrespective of the fact that they serve the same function, made out of the same crap, look the same, smell the same, etc etc etc. It's a personal preference. I collect watches and may someday pass them down to my kids, so I buy the real ones, but would have no problem wearing a good quality fake. I don't wear my watches to pose. I wear my $10000 deepsea to work on my cars, I beat them to hell, etc. I don't care. IMHO, the only people that care are the ones that care what other people think.
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Its just like buying anything else made in China.
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i know its a fake but that Pam looks great.
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I don't care. IMHO, the only people that care are the ones that care what other people think.
Agree with all your analysis and previous statement exept this.

I take damn good care of my sht, including my clothes, car and watches. I like buying expensive sht and like for it to be in as nice condition as possible. I dont cry when I ding my car or scratch my watches, but I do try to keep my things in as good a condition as reasonably possible. I think its more about valuing and appreciation of your own stuff and not about what other people think.
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I've seen that video in the past. I did hours of research prior to buying my PO because I was so nervous, lol. Dead giveaways are the bezel pearl not being aligned correctly, the HE escape valve being too large or misaligned, and the crown being too large or misaligned. Getting up close to the Omega symbol on the face (can't tell in the video) is a good way to ID a fake, as well. If the feet of the Omega symbol look like they have curled up at the ends, it's a fake.
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Agree with all your analysis and previous statement exept this.

I take damn good care of my sht, including my clothes, car and watches. I like buying expensive sht and like for it to be in as nice condition as possible. I dont cry when I ding my car or scratch my watches, but I do try to keep my things in as good a condition as reasonably possible. I think its more about valuing and appreciation of your own stuff and not about what other people think.
I personally agree, however, most people I have come across (granted, Im in NYC) buy expensive sh!t to fish for compliments from everyone else with a popped collar and to impress the girls at the club. You can tell these people by having mens watches studded with diamonds.
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Old 03-21-2013, 01:11 PM   #5233
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I've seen that video in the past. I did hours of research prior to buying my PO because I was so nervous, lol. Dead giveaways are the bezel pearl not being aligned correctly, the HE escape valve being too large or misaligned, and the crown being too large or misaligned. Getting up close to the Omega symbol on the face (can't tell in the video) is a good way to ID a fake, as well. If the feet of the Omega symbol look like they have curled up at the ends, it's a fake.
Good job doing your homework. It would take about $800 of gen parts to make the middle watch (v5) pass for a gen. Get a gen bezel (solves the pearl problem), get a gen HE valve, and you're good to go. I believe the feet were fixed on the later models.

I worked in the watch business many moons ago, and it is incredible how far these things have come. Never could I imagine fakes like these being made. From the time of the crap fakes to these things, stores must have lost hundreds of millions of dollars buying fakes from people at pawn shops, jewelry stores, etc.

*Edit*...yup, the happy feet have been fixed.
http://www.1-pc8838.com/omse01002-pl...42-p-9818.html
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I personally agree, however, most people I have come across (granted, Im in NYC) buy expensive sh!t to fish for compliments from everyone else with a popped collar and to impress the girls at the club. You can tell these people by having mens watches studded with diamonds.
yeah I hear ya. I know the type all to well too...

As far as buying fakes go, just dont do it people.

Its not that far off of slapping an M badge on 318.
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yeah I hear ya. I know the type all to well too...

As far as buying fakes go, just dont do it people.

Its not that far off of slapping an M badge on 318.
But what if the 318 had the same motor, same body, same interior and same drivetrain?

For the most part, I agree. I do like the homage watches personally. Check these out....have been a big fan of this guys work for quite some time......he builds watches and is an artist.....















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Your own "self pride." Some people wear fakes without a problem. I know people that earn 1.5MM a year+ bonus and wear fake pams to work. I know guys with REAL Rolexes and wear fake ones so that they don't beat them up. Some people can't do fakes because THEY know it's a fake. Basically the same reason why if you gave your girl a 99.6% as good fake LV bag, she wouldnt be NEARLY as happy as the real deal, irrespective of the fact that they serve the same function, made out of the same crap, look the same, smell the same, etc etc etc. It's a personal preference. I collect watches and may someday pass them down to my kids, so I buy the real ones, but would have no problem wearing a good quality fake. I don't wear my watches to pose. I wear my $10000 deepsea to work on my cars, I beat them to hell, etc. I don't care. IMHO, the only people that care are the ones that care what other people think.
I asked, because normally what you're buying when buying real is quality. I can tell you there's a big difference between a real coach purse and a fake one. The materials used and the craftsmanship on the real this is unmatchable.
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I asked, because normally what you're buying when buying real is quality. I can tell you there's a big difference between a real coach purse and a fake one. The materials used and the craftsmanship on the real this is unmatchable.
Terrible word to use (umatchable.) For $50, maybe not. But for $500, you better believe you can buy quality material, a quality seamstress, etc etc to make a pretty damn good fake.

Actually, bags are far easier to fake then watches. You will never see a decent fake of a watch like this...


They are far too complicated, use expensive materials, and would cost a ton to produce. Now sure, you can probably make a $45000 watch for 20K, but at that point, you priced yourself out of the fakes market. When it comes to bags, you can absolutely make a $30000 Berkin for $$1500-2000.
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But what if the 318 had the same motor, same body, same interior and same drivetrain?

For the most part, I agree. I do like the homage watches personally. Check these out....have been a big fan of this guys work for quite some time......he builds watches and is an artist.....















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How much do those go for?
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I believe in the area of $500 or so, but will depend on the movement, the case, the crystal, etc. I'd say $400-$700.
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