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Old 07-01-2012, 10:37 PM   #1021
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I have fully cut fenders with a slight flair and have 11.5s in the rear and was 1 3/8" to my frame off the ground static rubbing every second to the point I chipped all the paint off my fenders from rubbing and front bumper from flexing and scraping. Im now driving even lower but on bags so I can get into my driveway and parking lot at work. And if you think bags aren't good performers you can guess again.. They outperform my KW v2s in almost every way. I bought the AirRex struts because they have full damper adjustment along with rebound. And came with camber plates... These are meant for performing. The bags are on threaded bodies so I can wind them down and ride low while still maintaining decent air pressure in them to remain stiff enough..
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Old 07-02-2012, 12:49 AM   #1022
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I never said quality air struts won't handle well, I only said about their stiffness. There is no way an airbag would be stiff enough to keep my wheels off my fenders at the low pressure it'd take to be at my desired ride height. I currently have 800# rear springs and they struggle to keep wheel off my flared fender. I've been in and driven cars with air, bags are stiff as coils at reasonable height, but once you are getting low then they loose all stiffness.

Personally I think the air vs static argument is stupid. It's all in what you want/need for your car to get the desired stance. They both have their pros and cons you just have to weigh them out.
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Old 07-02-2012, 11:45 AM   #1023
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I never said quality air struts won't handle well, I only said about their stiffness. There is no way an airbag would be stiff enough to keep my wheels off my fenders at the low pressure it'd take to be at my desired ride height. I currently have 800# rear springs and they struggle to keep wheel off my flared fender. I've been in and driven cars with air, bags are stiff as coils at reasonable height, but once you are getting low then they loose all stiffness.

Personally I think the air vs static argument is stupid. It's all in what you want/need for your car to get the desired stance. They both have their pros and cons you just have to weigh them out.
Get new wheels! Haha joking

Ya I know what you mean completely... I have had slammed static cars for years and always hated air because of the poor ride quality and not being able to ride low enough.. And that was from riding in my friends cars that have been on air for years.. But my only point was that air struts aren't like they used to be, technology is coming along and making them leaps an bounds above what they were. My Airrex struts can run a small spring (any rate you want) underneath the bag on the thread strut bodies, so then when you air out completely you are basically on a coilover setup with spring and dampening adjustable struts.

I'm not trying to argue at all! And not trying to force my opinions, especially since I still had my sticker saying "bags are for fags" on my car until a couple weeks ago haha.. Just trying to shine some light on the new products and technology out there these days for us who want to drive on the ground all day and still be functional.
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Old 07-02-2012, 11:48 AM   #1024
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Old 07-02-2012, 01:07 PM   #1025
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here's my bag setup before the radiused and flared fenders





and after the radiused fenders and new custom skirts i'm working on







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Old 07-02-2012, 01:11 PM   #1026
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I have fully cut fenders with a slight flair and have 11.5s in the rear and was 1 3/8" to my frame off the ground static rubbing every second to the point I chipped all the paint off my fenders from rubbing and front bumper from flexing and scraping. Im now driving even lower but on bags so I can get into my driveway and parking lot at work. And if you think bags aren't good performers you can guess again.. They outperform my KW v2s in almost every way. I bought the AirRex struts because they have full damper adjustment along with rebound. And came with camber plates... These are meant for performing. The bags are on threaded bodies so I can wind them down and ride low while still maintaining decent air pressure in them to remain stiff enough..
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Old 07-02-2012, 01:13 PM   #1027
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I never said quality air struts won't handle well, I only said about their stiffness. There is no way an airbag would be stiff enough to keep my wheels off my fenders at the low pressure it'd take to be at my desired ride height. I currently have 800# rear springs and they struggle to keep wheel off my flared fender. I've been in and driven cars with air, bags are stiff as coils at reasonable height, but once you are getting low then they loose all stiffness.

Personally I think the air vs static argument is stupid. It's all in what you want/need for your car to get the desired stance. They both have their pros and cons you just have to weigh them out.
actually, bags can be as stiff as springs. technology and air suspension has come a long way since single-bellow bags. it depends on their psi levels. at around 90/100psi (front/rear), my aerosport bag runs a 10k/12k springrate. most bags fully inflate at around 90-100 psi so the trick is to get the bag to mount lower so that the height you want your car is also the springrate you want. fully inflated, my bag is 9", which is too high if you mount the bag in the normal position, but high enough when you use a modified/custom strut or coilover. lots of trial and error.
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Old 07-02-2012, 01:41 PM   #1028
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I understand that concept, but the lower you mount the bag/the shorter the strut is to make the bag stiff at your desired ride height, the less lift you'll have. So at that point, does that not defeat the whole purpose of getting bags? I'd say so
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Old 07-02-2012, 01:46 PM   #1029
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I understand that concept, but the lower you mount the bag/the shorter the strut is to make the bag stiff at your desired ride height, the less lift you'll have. So at that point, does that not defeat the whole purpose of getting bags? I'd say so
that's a good point, but that's why you have to play around with it. with the springrate i have, i can still lift the car another ~5" up front and ~7" in rear, which is plenty enough to get over the majority of speed bumps in my area.
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Old 07-02-2012, 01:49 PM   #1030
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actually, bags can be as stiff as springs. technology and air suspension has come a long way since single-bellow bags. it depends on their psi levels. at around 90/100psi (front/rear), my aerosport bag runs a 10k/12k springrate. most bags fully inflate at around 90-100 psi so the trick is to get the bag to mount lower so that the height you want your car is also the springrate you want. fully inflated, my bag is 9", which is too high if you mount the bag in the normal position, but high enough when you use a modified/custom strut or coilover. lots of trial and error.
That's exactly what I said! Like my airrex bodies are threaded and the bag is internally thread with lock collars top and bottom. So you can wind the bag down so you can inflate it more and ride lower for better ride
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Old 07-02-2012, 02:16 PM   #1031
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Old 07-02-2012, 07:37 PM   #1032
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Old 07-03-2012, 04:15 PM   #1034
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