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What does the secondary air pump do?
A few months back I replaced the hose that connected between the pump and the valve because it was ripped open. I am now wondering what the use of the air pump and the valve are. I know the have to do with the emissions system, and am curious if it has anything to do with my P0444 code Emission control Purge valve circuit open. I am about to purchase the Fuel Tank Breather valve a.k.a Purge valve, hoping this will fix the issue.
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Hmmm...wondering if maybe you just got gunk clogging up the inlet for the valve like I did.
Try removing the hose you replaced from the valve and looking in the inlet. If your hose had a hole like mine, from corroded crap from the inside of hose, then maybe your valve is just plugged. That, or maybe you've sprung a leak on the tiny hose leaving the valve...I had a small crack on mine...a little dab of rtv has held that fine for months now. HTH Oh, from what I understand, the SAP is part of the emissions but other than blow air into somewhere, you've got me what it does or why. Doug
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basically dilutes the exhaust on start up, for emissions purposes..
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It pumps cold air into the the catalytic converters in order to bring them up to operating temperature quicker.
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It pumps clean air into the cats to dilute the leftover air for emisions purposes before it leaves the exhaust.. My moms e46 recently had a problem with the SAP and was fixed by replacing the hose and doing the seafoam treatment in the same hose leading from the pump to the valve, there is a nice DIY somewhere on the forums.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secondary_air_injection then there is this http://www.obd-codes.com/p0410 and then there is this http://repairpal.com/secondary-air-system this last article leads me to think your reading comprehension is not that great? But i could be wrong about your reading comprehension, so could you please explain the physics of your statement to me? how does pumping ambient temperature air, help the catalytic converters heat up, aren't the catalytic converters already at ambient temperature? I would think the exhaust from the combustion chambers at several hundred degrees would do a much better job at heating up the exhaust system? so i guess my question for you is, where do you get your information from? |
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super lol @ alex fight idiots.
on a seperate note, it really helps to pull the whole assembly when trying to reach the top nuts on aftermarket headers.
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First link provided by you. "When the engine is cold, air injected at this point cleans up the extra-rich exhaust and raises the temperature of the exhaust so as to bring the catalytic converter to operating temperature quickly. Once the engine is warm, air is injected to the downstream location - the catalytic converter itself - to assist with catalysis of unburned hydrocarbons and carbon monoxide." I could provide a dozen or so articles on this concept but this should suffice. I think your misunderstanding of the subject comes from the fact that most articles just state that the system injects air to 'lower emissions' without explaining how this actually occurs. It is not because the exhaust gases are somehow diluted, it is because the extra oxygen heats up the cats quicker therefore letting them do their job faster.
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so where is a link, and or explanation as to how ambient temperature air, can "heat" up exhaust gases, maybe a chemical reaction in the cat?
and no wiki, is not the best source of documentation since anyone can edit it........ hence the reason i provided 2 others... so, if you would be so kind as to explain, and or link where i can read how the secondary air pump warms up the cats. |
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Another thing the pump do is to give the post-o2 sensors a lean condition , to test that they're working |
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It's interesting that BMW had improved the design of the secondary air injection system while the E46 was in production. The early models (such as my car) have a simple air pump that just blows air at constant rate into the exhaust manifold for about 90 sec on cold starts. This huge excess of oxygen helps to burn the incompletely spend fuel exiting the cold engine even when the catalytic convertors aren't warm yet. Of course, this also produces additional heat that quickly brings the cats to operating temp.
However, too much excess of oxygen can't be good for the pipes, etc. The late E46 models are equiped with a secondary MAF, which monitors how much air is being pump into the exhaust. This allows the secondary air pump output to be controlled, avoiding too lean exhaust conditions. Last edited by Megalocnus; 07-28-2010 at 12:39 AM. |
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http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sourc...Q7q5_HZkki1X1g This is the only credible source i was able to find, as they are a manufacture of secondary air pumps...... This explains the purpose of the added oxygen. |
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Glad you realize your mistake. Don't get so hung up on the temperature of ambient air or that this is heating up exhaust gases somehow. The heat comes from the reaction of the extra oxygen not the temperature of the air. If emission control was as easy as diluting the exhaust gases as it leaves the engine then no car would have cats. This is why most if not all smog tests will test for dilution to catch 'cheating' of clean air mixing with exhaust gases before it leaves the tailpipe.
From your link. "The reason being that during this period the catalytic converter is not fully operable. Here is where secondary air brings its benefits. Injecting sec- ondary air into the exhaust manifold initiates an exothermal oxidation of the unburnt hydrocarbons (HC). Consequently, HC and CO emissions are reduced during cold start while at the same time the light-off time of the catalytic converter is shortened." http://www.ge39.com/files/m54x5.pdf Page 37 of this PDF explains it as well.
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