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Old 09-09-2010, 12:08 AM   #21
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Is that inside the box under the back seat? If so, I want to check mine...
Yes, that is under the black plastic cover. It is under the most foward part of the cover.

I would give it a look. Takes just a few minutes.
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Old 09-09-2010, 12:21 AM   #22
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So the question is did something come loose, break or just get out of alignment?

In your picture, it looks like there may be a nut in the inside of the box that was removed and the cable entry nut may be backed out on one side?

Do you think the cable entry nuts are for cable length/latch adjustment.

Glad you found the issue. I think all us Vert owners need to share our issues as I really do not think the dealers understand these cars at all. I had to go round and round with my dealer to reset the window pinch senors, after the dealer changed the battery. I was told I needed both window motors replaced, I said hell no!! Adjust the window pinch sensors. In the long run the car did not need parts or taken apart!

The nuts were both at the same adjustment, i moved it to show exactly how the cables were grabbing at the crimp-on connection. They are now equal in length.

I am sure the cable entry nuts are for cable length and latch adjustment. This is probably how they were grabbing at the wrong area on the cable ends. I believe they were stretched over years of use and slipped to the point that they were working improperly.

I totally agree, there is a lack of information out there for the functions of the top. From what I have seen, the top mechanicals are simple. However there are many different functions, and failure of any one function will render the top inoperable.
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Old 09-10-2010, 01:32 PM   #23
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I checked in the box. ONE OF MY CABLES IS COMPLETELY UNHOOKED!! There isn't even the crimp/hook anywhere to be found! Just a loose wire. Where can I find the hook/crimp?

EDIT: I might have to start a thread to find this...

EDIT II: I found the crimp/hook. Where the h3ll can I find one of these??

EDIT III: After searching all afternoon, driving to small equipment repair shops, hardware shops, I looked up the price on the Bowden Cable. $21. WOOT! I thought it would be 3 times that at least. Psyched.
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Old 09-10-2010, 09:39 PM   #24
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Awesome thread. There are so few vert repair threads out there.

My top cover has been making a loud 'clunk' noise. It happens after the top goes down, and after top cover latches closed, then a loud clunk upon completing the top down process. Did any of you have this problem? I'm wondering if it's a precursor to the latch failure. I'm going to check out that black box tomorrow.
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Old 09-10-2010, 11:49 PM   #25
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I checked in the box. ONE OF MY CABLES IS COMPLETELY UNHOOKED!! There isn't even the crimp/hook anywhere to be found! Just a loose wire. Where can I find the hook/crimp?

EDIT: I might have to start a thread to find this...

EDIT II: I found the crimp/hook. Where the h3ll can I find one of these??

EDIT III: After searching all afternoon, driving to small equipment repair shops, hardware shops, I looked up the price on the Bowden Cable. $21. WOOT! I thought it would be 3 times that at least. Psyched.

Glad you were able to work out your issue. At $21 you cant complain. It looks relatively simple to replace a cable.

Good luck with the repair, take some pictures. I bet others would love to see how the repair is done. Especially those who have not had trouble. yet.
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Old 09-10-2010, 11:51 PM   #26
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Awesome thread. There are so few vert repair threads out there.

My top cover has been making a loud 'clunk' noise. It happens after the top goes down, and after top cover latches closed, then a loud clunk upon completing the top down process. Did any of you have this problem? I'm wondering if it's a precursor to the latch failure. I'm going to check out that black box tomorrow.
I dont have a 'clunk' noise, got a video or sound clip of the noise in question?
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Old 09-11-2010, 08:15 AM   #27
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Awesome thread. There are so few vert repair threads out there.

My top cover has been making a loud 'clunk' noise. It happens after the top goes down, and after top cover latches closed, then a loud clunk upon completing the top down process. Did any of you have this problem? I'm wondering if it's a precursor to the latch failure. I'm going to check out that black box tomorrow.
I have the clunk. My clunk is random. Sometimes it happens, sometimes it doesn't. It also happens when the top goes down or the top goes up. There is another thread where this is discussed. However, that thread says the box we are talking about in this thread is the culprit. I have been fully operating the top with this box exposed. The clunk comes from within the top lid compartment. So, I can't help you, yet. But, I do have the clunk.

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Glad you were able to work out your issue. At $21 you cant complain. It looks relatively simple to replace a cable.

Good luck with the repair, take some pictures. I bet others would love to see how the repair is done. Especially those who have not had trouble. yet.
I will snap some shots and post them here when I get the cable...
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Old 09-11-2010, 08:36 AM   #28
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Old 09-11-2010, 08:05 PM   #29
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No vid, but I got it wrong. It actually happens when closing the top. After the top closing process is complete -- top closes, back lid shuts, then a loud clunk.

I checked the black box, and it looks fine. I guess I will just wait until something breaks, as it doesn't reall bother me.

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Old 10-09-2010, 02:09 PM   #30
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I installed one of the Bowden cables. It took me maybe 2 hrs. But, if I had to do it again, it would go much faster. I didn't take enough pics. But, here is what I took. It worked. The top cover is latched and tightly held down now!

I can help anyone with this if needed. Just PM me.

Here is a picture of the broken cable:


Here is after I connected the bowden cable to the top latch and threaded it through the side panel:


Here is the finished and fixed project:
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Old 10-10-2010, 11:39 AM   #31
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Looks great! Glad you got it all back up and running.
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Old 04-25-2011, 10:04 PM   #32
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What is the part number of the cable?
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Old 04-25-2011, 10:08 PM   #33
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Looks like it is 51258227907.
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Old 04-26-2011, 09:13 AM   #34
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Hey boltonic. That looks like the right part number. Good luck with the repair.

Take the back seat out. Take the side panel off on the side that won't latch down. Then, unthread the cable and then thread the new one. Pay attention to how you unthread the old one. Just reverse the process. it goes through the sidewalk at some point. Just be sure you have the grommets in the right place. It really isn't too hard. Maybe a 4-5 outta 10.
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Old 05-13-2011, 07:56 AM   #35
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Here are what my cables looks like. When the top is closed or opened they look fine. I also attached an image of the cables while the top is opening or closing. Not sure if that looks alright. Let me know what you think.
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Also does anyone know where this plugs into? Its underneath the back seat.
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Old 05-20-2011, 02:37 PM   #37
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Here are what my cables looks like. When the top is closed or opened they look fine. I also attached an image of the cables while the top is opening or closing. Not sure if that looks alright. Let me know what you think.
They must have changed the mechanism in the newer E46 verts.....mine looks like the OP's setup
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Old 05-20-2011, 02:39 PM   #38
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Also does anyone know where this plugs into? Its underneath the back seat.
Looks like a speaker connection...did you forget to plug that back in when reinstalling the side panel?
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Looks like it is 51258227907.
Correct:

http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts...41&fg=55&hl=42
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Old 05-27-2011, 02:59 PM   #40
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I brought the pictures to the dealership just to see what they think and they said that it maybe just a tension issue. Apparently I can adjust it by taking off the driver cover and adjusting it there. Of course I don't have the correct socket which I believe is 9mm or 10mm. Anyone have information on adjusting the tension for the cables?
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