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Old 07-19-2015, 03:25 AM   #1
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Post ten days, my on going gun ownership story...

So I just purchased a new Glock 17 and it really was the ideal choice for me. As I wait the ten day period I am researching and wanted some input on a laser light combo.

I think there are three ideal choices that I've narrowed it down to and they are all within the 200.00-300.00 price point, just wanted to hear some insight one what works best for some and perhaps where to get a decent deal.

Option one is the factory combo but I've heard that the light output is rather poor, followed by the Streamlight TLR2 and lastly the Surefire.

Although in the link there are several more options one little nagging question popped up as to why green dotted sights are more expensive then the traditional red dot. I imagine this is because at night and or low light situations the green dot is easier to see and acclimate to was just wondering for a more intuitive answer.

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Old 07-19-2015, 06:55 AM   #2
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So I just purchased a new Glock 17 and it really was the ideal choice for me. As I wait the ten day period I am researching and wanted some input on a laser light combo.

I think there are three ideal choices that I've narrowed it down to and they are all within the 200.00-300.00 price point, just wanted to hear some insight one what works best for some and perhaps where to get a decent deal.

Option one is the factory combo but I've heard that the light output is rather poor, followed by the Streamlight TLR2 and lastly the Surefire.

Although in the link there are several more options one little nagging question popped up as to why green dotted sights are more expensive then the traditional red dot. I imagine this is because at night and or low light situations the green dot is easier to see and acclimate to was just wondering for a more intuitive answer.

http://www.glockstore.com/sights-lig.../weapon-lights

Can't wait the 10 days pics to come
Honestly, I did the same thing when I bought my first pistol. I researched a bit and ended up getting a Viridian green laser/light combo.

You know what? I never use the laser. Actually, that's not true. Sometimes, I used to take the combo off the gun and use the laser to play with the cat. But that's it.

IMO, lasers are fairly useless, at least the visual, non-IR ones. I sure a few others will drop in to offer their opinions on it. But honestly, I wouldn't bother.

Get yourself a good surefire or streamlight light and be done with it...skip the laser.
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honestly, i did the same thing when i bought my first pistol. I researched a bit and ended up getting a viridian green laser/light combo.

You know what? I never use the laser. Actually, that's not true. Sometimes, i used to take the combo off the gun and use the laser to play with the cat. But that's it.

Imo, lasers are fairly useless, at least the visual, non-ir ones. I sure a few others will drop in to offer their opinions on it. But honestly, i wouldn't bother.

Get yourself a good surefire or streamlight light and be done with it...skip the laser.
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Old 07-19-2015, 03:47 PM   #4
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Don't buy the Glock factory light or laser. Even the Glock reps and trainers talk crap about the Glock lights and laser/lights. They all know it's junk.

I would buy a Streamlight or SureFire. Viridian also makes good lasers, but their lights are lacking.
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Yea leaning towards to streamlight tlr-2 at the moment, the viridian looked cool but a lot more pricey compared to the others.
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You can see the TLR2 in a comparison here. http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showpos...postcount=1087

Keep in mind that the actual brightness isn't represented here, but each photo was taken with the same camera settings. I like the TLR2 and it's super bright. You really have to tighten up the mount or the laser zero will move around on you from usage. And it doesn't always go back to true zero when you remove it and replace it on the pistol. Figure you have to readjust every time you remove and replace it.

Though it's an easy adjustment and doesn't require any shooting to do so. Just need to pick a distance and co-witness with the factory sights. So just stand or sit about 15ft away from a wall (if this is a home defense weapon) and make the laser dot be just barely visible above the front sight when you're front and rear sights are lined up. Not perfect for a marksmanship competition, but at half or even twice the distance it'll put the bullet within an inch or two of the laser dot.
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Old 07-19-2015, 07:47 PM   #7
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Great advice thanks

Question on some good range ammo, getting a box of hornady critical defense for the home and i keep reading 135gr is better then 115gr, but I wanted to know what would be more affordable to run when i go to an indoor range.

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I use Speer Gold Dot for defense rounds and PMC or Winchester white box for range ammo. My M&P doesn't complain about any of it.

When it's time to replace my defense rounds, I'll throw the old ones down range.
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I find my Viridian CL5 to be amazing, even in the daytime. I'll admit that the light is not surface of the sun, but at night it is still 2-3x brighter than my cell phone.
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I use Speer Gold Dot for defense rounds and PMC or Winchester white box for range ammo. My M&P doesn't complain about any of it.

When it's time to replace my defense rounds, I'll throw the old ones down range.
I use the same defense rounds. For the range, I find the cheapest brass cased newly manufactured 115g that is available online and order it.

Whatever defensive rounds you choose, make sure that you put a couple hundred through your pistol at the range before you decide that you can trust your life to them. You want to make sure that your particular gun likes them.
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While you're waiting - research the Surefire XC1. Super compact, bright as f*ck, surefire quality.

I'll be buying one for my G19, and new holsters to go with it once I get my gun back from Agency ARms.
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Thanks for the recommendation, definitely looking to try speerdot and horandy to see which feels better, although for lights i think i am set on the streamlight, saw it in store today and was pleased with how it felt.
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Hornady Critical Defense is designed for short barrel carry pistols. Shooting them in a full size pistol like the Glock 17 will increase the velocity, which will cause reduced penetration. Critical Defense already has limited/shallow penetration that is really not ideal, so reducing that penetration depth moreso is problematic. It also has a conventional bullet jacketing that is not locked or bonded to the core, which means that you may have separation, fragmentation and inconsistent and inadequate performance.

Hornady Critical Duty is designed for full size pistols, has a locked-base jacket design for constent expansion and mass retention, and penetrates deep enough to meet FBI protocols. The 135gr and 135gr +P options are both good load options.

I made a list previously about good pistol loads in a different thread. There are a lot of good loads, but there are some crap loads as well. A couple cases for example:
Federal HST and Bonded JHP are phenomenal. Federal Hydra-Shok sucks.
Speer Gold Dot is excellent and has been a solid performer for a long time. Speer Gold Dot G2 is their variant of the Hornady FTX bullet, and the G2 has inconsistent and poor performance and Speer is redesigning it.
Etc...
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Another question but what is the real benefit if any comparing the infrared light to the standard LED lighting? Leaning towards the standard LED for the 720 lumens but was curious if there was a reason to consider the IRW.

http://www.streamlight.com/en-us/pro...t.html?pid=318

http://www.streamlight.com/en-us/pro...l?pid=295#tabs
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Well of the two you posted, neither has an IFR illuminator on it. The second has an IFR laser, but that's only useful if you're running night vision. IFR stuff is for use with night vision...your eyes can't see it otherwise
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^what he said.
NV works by amplifying ambient light. It doesn't turn absolute darkness into daylight. NV doesn't work in no-light situations like deep caves or basements or lower levels of buildings completely cut off from visible light and with no artifical ambient light.

IR emitters come in two forms: illuminators and lasers/target designators. Lasers or target designators are just like a visible laser for marking a target. Illuminators are like flood lamps in the infrared light spectrum. The Illuminators are designed to work with NV for close-range areas that have little or no amplifiable light.
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1) Get an IR laser.
2) Get a good pair of NVG.
3) ????
4) Protect your house like a goddamn boss.
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Just get yourself a solid thermal optic, make your house zero light.

Own the darkness.
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thanks for the answer and for the

I wasn't sure what they really meant by IR but thanks for clearing that up

FYI ordered the TLR2HL
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thanks for the answer and for the

I wasn't sure what they really meant by IR but thanks for clearing that up

FYI ordered the TLR2HL
You won't regret it.

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