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The BMW E46 ///M3 is the M version E46 and puts out an amazing 333 HP and 262 lb-ft of torque at stock specs! There are an amazing amount of modifications for both the coupe and convertible models so read up and get started modifying your cars today!

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Old 02-04-2011, 10:59 AM   #41
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If you have a BMW CCA membership 1Qt of Castrol 10W60 is only $11.25 (when you present your membership at checkout at the dealership).
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Old 02-04-2011, 11:05 AM   #42
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Old 02-04-2011, 12:07 PM   #43
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Thanks. Do you guys have any packages for all fluids? Hopefully I'll be picking up an M3 in the next month or two and regardless of the maintenance history, I'd like to change all the fluids.

Also, does Motul make any fluid suitable for an SMG?
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Old 02-04-2011, 12:58 PM   #44
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Screw it, just ordered oil analysis kit.

I will be the guinea pig.

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Old 02-04-2011, 03:01 PM   #46
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It's a $20,000 Motor....

so why mess around? I'm sure the BMW Motorports Division had input with Castrol on its formulation and testing, so do you really think you can get an oil that's so much 'better' for this car? It's hypothetically possible that newer oils formulated since then might be 'better', but you probably need to be a chemist to really know if you're getting anything really superior than OEM. Cheaper, you can get, yes, but not worth it with a $20k motor, IMHO.
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Lol. No punk for that!
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so why mess around? I'm sure the BMW Motorports Division had input with Castrol on its formulation and testing, so do you really think you can get an oil that's so much 'better' for this car? It's hypothetically possible that newer oils formulated since then might be 'better', but you probably need to be a chemist to really know if you're getting anything really superior than OEM. Cheaper, you can get, yes, but not worth it with a $20k motor, IMHO.

The engineers and chemists of these other brands probably reverse engineered the castrol formula, copied the chemical formula, created a new one similar to what the original castrol engineers developed, and sold it for a cheaper price to profit. Its not hard to do with extensive testing and time, this happens in the market all the time.
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I am doing it for other reasons as well.

I feel it would be valuable to be able to compare
1. Castrol out of the bottle vs. any competitor (lets see the additive packages)
2. Castrol after it has been driven in a car for 6k miles(maybe 8 by the time I get to the oil change) Lets see if there is any breakdown? If so, what?
3. Competitor oil analysis after it has been driven for 8k- see if there is any breakdown vs. potential breakdown of the Castrol.

Point 2 alone would be beneficial information to have as some people change their oil at 5.7.9k or even 15k intervals. Having a better baseline to use for decision making beyond sales pitches of various companies is important in my opinion (driving conditions will be different on cars, that is a given, but for my testing purposes on a bone stock, no option M3, it would be good to have)

This will take some time to achieve, but if I start now, probably will have it completed by June-ish (just in time for track season)

Oil change coming up hopefully in two weeks!
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I am doing it for other reasons as well.

I feel it would be valuable to be able to compare
1. Castrol out of the bottle vs. any competitor (lets see the additive packages)
2. Castrol after it has been driven in a car for 6k miles(maybe 8 by the time I get to the oil change) Lets see if there is any breakdown? If so, what?
3. Competitor oil analysis after it has been driven for 8k- see if there is any breakdown vs. potential breakdown of the Castrol.

Point 2 alone would be beneficial information to have as some people change their oil at 5.7.9k or even 15k intervals. Having a better baseline to use for decision making beyond sales pitches of various companies is important in my opinion (driving conditions will be different on cars, that is a given, but for my testing purposes on a bone stock, no option M3, it would be good to have)

This will take some time to achieve, but if I start now, probably will have it completed by June-ish (just in time for track season)

Oil change coming up hopefully in two weeks!
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I am doing it for other reasons as well.

I feel it would be valuable to be able to compare
1. Castrol out of the bottle vs. any competitor (lets see the additive packages)
2. Castrol after it has been driven in a car for 6k miles(maybe 8 by the time I get to the oil change) Lets see if there is any breakdown? If so, what?
3. Competitor oil analysis after it has been driven for 8k- see if there is any breakdown vs. potential breakdown of the Castrol.

Point 2 alone would be beneficial information to have as some people change their oil at 5.7.9k or even 15k intervals. Having a better baseline to use for decision making beyond sales pitches of various companies is important in my opinion (driving conditions will be different on cars, that is a given, but for my testing purposes on a bone stock, no option M3, it would be good to have)

This will take some time to achieve, but if I start now, probably will have it completed by June-ish (just in time for track season)

Oil change coming up hopefully in two weeks!
There are already VOAs out there for TWS. Just not for stuff like LubriMoly. I, for one, just hate all the OMG OMG OMG!!!!! TWS or DIE!!!!!!!

The links/PMs are all great, but they are all from BMW/Castrol's side. Of course they are going to spew out that oil love. There ARE better oils out there, but without an "engineer" or chemist to hype it up, nothing will change. You'll have to look at some oil analysis from some race motors with 2-3 weekends on it and see how the oil has done versus Motul 300V, etc. TWS lovers may be surprised at the differences.

I love how people always argue that it is OEM and BMW engineers know best, etc etc. Then they go and change their RTABS, shocks, swaybars, brake pads, exhaust, etc to non-OEM, non-BMW engineered stuff with the hypocritical argument that BMW engineers DONT know best and are compromising things.
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There are already VOAs out there for TWS. Just not for stuff like LubriMoly. I, for one, just hate all the OMG OMG OMG!!!!! TWS or DIE!!!!!!!

The links/PMs are all great, but they are all from BMW/Castrol's side. Of course they are going to spew out that oil love. There ARE better oils out there, but without an "engineer" or chemist to hype it up, nothing will change. You'll have to look at some oil analysis from some race motors with 2-3 weekends on it and see how the oil has done versus Motul 300V, etc. TWS lovers may be surprised at the differences.

I love how people always argue that it is OEM and BMW engineers know best, etc etc. Then they go and change their RTABS, shocks, swaybars, brake pads, exhaust, etc to non-OEM, non-BMW engineered stuff with the hypocritical argument that BMW engineers DONT know best and are compromising things.
Never heard of TWS, but Motul 300v is the ****. As I said in my previous post, I notice a decrease in engine temps and no cold starts unless the car sits for a bit in the cold. This is in a 350Z, not an M3 btw.

Haha I guess that is somewhat hypocritical, but I think people replace factory parts with more "hardcore" performance driven engineered products that sacrifice comfort. They could also do it because it may be cheaper depending on the parts.
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Been using motul 10w 60 on my 4th oil change now and plain and simple ill never go back to Castrol it doesn't burn at all 5000 miles and I'm still at full. Stays cleaner also runs cooler temps for the money it's well worth it
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where do you buy it from? and whats the price difference VS the Castrol TWS?

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Been using motul 10w 60 on my 4th oil change now and plain and simple ill never go back to Castrol it doesn't burn at all 5000 miles and I'm still at full. Stays cleaner also runs cooler temps for the money it's well worth it
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Good info in here, I second the motul purchasing location! Where can we find it?

Does anyone have any comparisons or analysis of the motul oil vs the recommended TMS 10w60?
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