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Old 11-03-2011, 10:08 PM   #281
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Botach came through...dressed up the 22 till the ar is built lol.

Larue/Harris bipod
Aimpoint comp m4 in larue mount
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How's the optical quality and clarity of that magnifier?
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Old 11-04-2011, 07:34 AM   #283
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How's the optical quality and clarity of that magnifier?
I couldn't get a good picture of clarity but when looking through it behind the red dot it's crystal clear, I was surprised how clear it is. I'm extremely impressed with it and the price was unbeatable.
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Old 11-05-2011, 11:54 PM   #284
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I'm in the market for an ar10/ precision/hunting rifle, what do you guys think about the 18" LaRue Tactical PredatAR 7.62? Was going to go the Remington 700 sps route but the brother picked one up before me and I don't really want to get something that he has already. Plan on mounting a scope and a bi-pod to it also.
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I'm in the market for an ar10/ precision/hunting rifle, what do you guys think about the 18" LaRue Tactical PredatAR 7.62? Was going to go the Remington 700 sps route but the brother picked one up before me and I don't really want to get something that he has already. Plan on mounting a scope and a bi-pod to it also.
The PredatAR uses a lightweight profile version of their heavier Lothar-Walther LW50 barrel that they use for the OBR. LaRue guarantees 1MOA accuracy for the rifle, which is pretty good given the platform. I have heard that it is possible to shoot around the 0.75 MOA range with it as well with the right loads. LaRue designed it to be a hunting rifle, as the OBR is a bit too heavy to be carried and shot off-hand. The PredatAR is 1.5lbs lighter due to the handguard and the barrel. I think LaRue also intended it to be a battle rifle and competition rifle, for engagement ranges at short, mid and longer ranges.
You will obviously be spending more on the PredatAR, but it will be a good investment.
The Remington M700 SPS is typically a sub-MOA performer across the board for most models. They are much less expensive, and you will have better overall accuracy from an M700 than a PredatAR. If you want to match bolt-action accuracy, you would need to step up to the LaRue OBR.
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Old 11-06-2011, 01:13 PM   #286
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Thanks Reedo...always coming through with the legit answers...you think there's certain parts out there that'll give me the option to build and make it similar(accuracy of OBR and weight of predatAR) to both rifles but not cost as much? In the mean time, I'll be going to check out both predatAR and OBR today.
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LaRue has likely done everything possible to make those rifles as accurate as they can. The only way to increase mechanical accuracy of the PredatAR is to change the barrel. Other than that, the only way to truly maximize accuracy would be to build up a load with handloading until you found the right powder and bullet combination that gave you the best accuracy.
If you wanted to build up a rifle to get better accuracy, I wouldn't buy a LaRue or GAP. They are fully built to the limits of their design. Building your own .308 AR would be the only way to get better than 1 MOA accuracy for less than the cost of the OBR or a GAP-10.


I believe Golden State Tactical is the CA legal LaRue importer.
http://www.goldenstatetactical.com/
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LaRue has likely done everything possible to make those rifles as accurate as they can. The only way to increase mechanical accuracy of the PredatAR is to change the barrel. Other than that, the only way to truly maximize accuracy would be to build up a load with handloading until you found the right powder and bullet combination that gave you the best accuracy.
If you wanted to build up a rifle to get better accuracy, I wouldn't buy a LaRue or GAP. They are fully built to the limits of their design. Building your own .308 AR would be the only way to get better than 1 MOA accuracy for less than the cost of the OBR or a GAP-10.


I believe Golden State Tactical is the CA legal LaRue importer.
http://www.goldenstatetactical.com/
Correct, Rob @ GST is a LaRue dealer as is RifleGear in Costa Mesa which is a bit closer to Temecula.
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Just left rifle gear...this is going to be another long 10 days...I'm sure chris understands that feeling..haha
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Just left rifle gear...this is going to be another long 10 days...I'm sure chris understands that feeling..haha
I totally understand
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I'm in the process right now of planning out a .308 AR build. It's a tie right now between a custom build and buying a LaRue OBR 16"

If it's the build, it'll be the following:

Mega MA-TEN matched upper/lower
Noveske 16" or Rainier Arms UltraMatch (Shilen blank cut by WOA) 16" barrel
PRI GenIII free float railed forearm
PRI Forearm Rail
Geissele SD-E trigger
Magpul PRS

Otherwise, the LaRue OBR.

Then, it's either a Vortex Viper PST 6-24x56, Weaver Tactical 3-15x50 or a Bushnell HDMR 3.5-21x50
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That's a nice list you got going...I held the OBR today but they only had it in 5.56 and that thing was a little heavier than the 18" 7.62 predatAR. What i thought was really heavy was the 21" noveske n6, especially around the front of the gun.

I need to stat looking into long range optics now...this is going to be a totally new part I'm going to have to learn about...any pointers would help...Thanks!
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I'm in the process right now of planning out a .308 AR build. It's a tie right now between a custom build and buying a LaRue OBR 16"

If it's the build, it'll be the following:

Mega MA-TEN matched upper/lower
Noveske 16" or Rainier Arms UltraMatch (Shilen blank cut by WOA) 16" barrel
PRI GenIII free float railed forearm
PRI Forearm Rail
Geissele SD-E trigger
Magpul PRS

Otherwise, the LaRue OBR.

Then, it's either a Vortex Viper PST 6-24x56, Weaver Tactical 3-15x50 or a Bushnell HDMR 3.5-21x50
About how much would something like that cost without the optics?
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That's a nice list you got going...I held the OBR today but they only had it in 5.56 and that thing was a little heavier than the 18" 7.62 predatAR. What i thought was really heavy was the 21" noveske n6, especially around the front of the gun.

I need to start looking into long range optics now...this is going to be a totally new part I'm going to have to learn about...any pointers would help...Thanks!
The Noveske barrels are fantastic, but they're absolute clubs in terms of size and weight. I mean, you're basically looking at a 21" long bar of solid stainless steel. The N6 can be balanced out using a heavier stock, like the Magpul PRS. If you are looking at a .308 AR for precision shooting, and want better balance, I would highly recommend that you stay around the 18" range for barrel length. There is no real gain in ballistic performance beyond 18".

In relation to optics, it's very hard to determine the best thing for your rifle until you determine the ranges you want to shoot at, the maximum range you will have regular access too, the maximum range you will likely shoot the rifle and what you will be shooting, and finally, how much you want to spend.
Here's a copy of a list of good quality optics that I previously compiled for another member:

For scopes, it depends on what want out of the rifle. If you do plan on shooting to 1000yds, you should have at least a 9x or 10x on the top end; but preferably something higher like in the 14-16x range or more.
I am also sort of an optics nerd, so here would be my suggestions:

Sub-$500
Bushnell Elite 10x42 $249
Weaver Tactical Grand Slam 3-10x40 $299
WOTAC 4.5-14x44 FFP $349
SWFA SS10x42 $399
SWFA SS3-9x42 $499 (used on Samplelist.com)


$500-$1000
Weaver Tactical 3-15x50 FFP EMDR $699
Vortex Viper PST 6-24x50 FFP $849
Bushnell Elite Tactical 3-12x44 FFP $849


$1000-$1700
SWFA SSHD 5-20x50 $1499
Nightforce 3.5-15x56 MOA/MIL SFP $1527
Bushnell Elite Tactical HDMR 3.5-21x50 $1599
Leupold Mark4 ER/T 4.5-14x50 M5 FFP $1599
IOR Valdada 3-18x42 $1529

$1700-$2400
Vortex Razor HD 5-20x50 $1999
Nightforce F1 3.5-15x50 MIL/MLR2 $2290
US Optics SN-3 3.2-17x44 $2210+ (depending on options)

$2400+
ANYTHING

I think the best optics overall for the money are:
Bushnell Elite 10x42
SWFA SS3-9x42
Weaver Tactical 3-15x50 FFP EMDR
SWFA SSHD 5-20x50


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About how much would something like that cost without the optics?
The build I have envisioned is about $2300-2500, depending upon what specific options I decide on; sans optics and mount. That is priced off or Rainier Arms using my LE discount . One could build a very basic precision .308 AR for about $1700-2k.

The LaRue OBR is ~$2700, or ~$3k with muzzle brake and stock (using LE/MIL discount)
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I've made a decision and decided to go with the swfa ss 3-9x42 from samplelist.com, is there a particular style rings I need to get to hold it down? One piece, two piece?
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I've made a decision and decided to go with the swfa ss 3-9x42 from samplelist.com, is there a particular style rings I need to get to hold it down? One piece, two piece?
For an AR, most people go with a one piece unimount. The SWFA SS is a great scope. First focal plane, mil turrets, mil reticle, 30mm tube, great glass, bomb proof- great. The Burris PEPR is an inexpensive budget-minded unimount that is good for general use and seems to be used by a lot of people with good success. They just introduced a QD version, but I can't vouch for the RTZ capability.
Ultimately, I would recommend that you go with a LaRue Tactical LT104 SPR mount for the best mount, but it's $195, so you will pay for it. the LT104 is also bomb-proof, and it has exceptional RTZ (return to zero) capability when you remove it and put it back on. I believe LaRue guarantees 1/2 MOA maximum shift, though most people are finding that there is zero shift.

LaRue Tactical LT104
http://www.laruetactical.com/larue-t...ount-qd-lt-104

Burris P.E.P.R.
http://swfa.com/Burris-AR-Tactical-Mounts-C1694.aspx
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Found it on Predator Masters - a web site geared for predator and varmint hunting - mostly coyotes. They have a separate forum for just AR stuff, since that seems to be one of the most popular coyote rigs. Lots of 20" and 24" barreled AR's with an emphasis on long distance shooting . . which is kind of a nice alternative from all the tactical setups you see.

http://www.predatormastersforums.com...oard=71&page=1

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I need to find that poster for my game or gun room ha.


I think im building my AR tonight can't wait to have it all put together. Gunsmith friend is taking time to help me out and teach me about the weapon system
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Reedo: Not familiar with bi-pod's, so is there's a certain bi-pod that works best? I'm on swfa's web site and they got all kinds of bi-pods (Harris). Was looking at 6" by 9", also do they just mount on to the rail?Thanks!
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