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Old 03-27-2012, 09:19 AM   #461
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Just got back from some training, but I had a discussion with another LEO who had a problem with his S&W M&P15T. This is the second time in two weeks I've heard of problems with the 15T model. The issue is with the gas block, and the set screws loosening and the gas block shifting, causing the rifle not operate properly. The first sign of a problem is short-stroking due to loss of gas pressure. If you have any M&P15 rifle with a low-profile gas block that is secured with set screws, make sure to regularly check the screws for tightness. Mark them with a permanent marker or a scratch so you can tell if they start to loosen. If this is a problem that persists, the only thing you can do is to pin the gas block with a taper pin. Threadlocker fluid like Rocksett and red Loctite will not reliably hold up to the heat of the gas block.
Just an FYI to anyone with one. Still great rifles, just a small problem to watch out for. It's the main reason why I prefer to pin my gas blocks.
My PSX model also did this. I check all set screws for tightness after each outing though and haven't had a problem since tightening it over 2000 rounds ago. something tells me it may have just not been properly torqued from the factory. The Ps and PSX models do however have a pin as well so I;m sure it may be less of an issue. The DI models ONLY use set screws>?
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Old 03-27-2012, 10:59 AM   #462
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The 15T models do. I'm not sure about all DI models, but I have not seen any M&P15s with low profile gas blocks that are taper-pinned.
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Old 03-27-2012, 11:31 AM   #463
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I think the part I missed was low profile. Carry on.
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BTW I know some people hate Botach but i've had a few good experiences with them. They have the Magpul MS3 Sling on sale for $39 shipped, can't really beat the price so I'm giving it another whirl. If anybody is interested use coupon slickmag at checkout to get the 20% off.

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Do they actually have it in stock? I've heard the MS3 is backordered to high-heaven.
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Do they actually have it in stock? I've heard the MS3 is backordered to high-heaven.
I'll give them a call and find out... ill update once I get in touch with them
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Do they actually have it in stock? I've heard the MS3 is backordered to high-heaven.
Just talked to their customer service and she checked and said both colors(black and coyote tan) were in stock.
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Just got back from some training, but I had a discussion with another LEO who had a problem with his S&W M&P15T. This is the second time in two weeks I've heard of problems with the 15T model. The issue is with the gas block, and the set screws loosening and the gas block shifting, causing the rifle not operate properly. The first sign of a problem is short-stroking due to loss of gas pressure. If you have any M&P15 rifle with a low-profile gas block that is secured with set screws, make sure to regularly check the screws for tightness. Mark them with a permanent marker or a scratch so you can tell if they start to loosen. If this is a problem that persists, the only thing you can do is to pin the gas block with a taper pin. Threadlocker fluid like Rocksett and red Loctite will not reliably hold up to the heat of the gas block.
Just an FYI to anyone with one. Still great rifles, just a small problem to watch out for. It's the main reason why I prefer to pin my gas blocks.
Any idea if it was the older or newer model 15T?
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Good shiet AJ. Wondering if it's worth upgrading from the MS2....
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BTW I know some people hate Botach but i've had a few good experiences with them. They have the Magpul MS3 Sling on sale for $39 shipped, can't really beat the price so I'm giving it another whirl. If anybody is interested use coupon slickmag at checkout to get the 20% off.

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I think you said that you were going to take a class this summer? I'll just warn you now to wear some kind of collar or get a pad for it. I have not used mine yet (class is in two weeks) but practicing drills around the house, that bitch cuts right into your neck.
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I think you said that you were going to take a class this summer? I'll just warn you now to wear some kind of collar or get a pad for it. I have not used mine yet (class is in two weeks) but practicing drills around the house, that bitch cuts right into your neck.
Thanks, i'll have to look into a pad. I bought the first one for my 870 im redoing but I might order another one for my SBR im beginning to work on. Looking forward to your review of using it in the class.
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Any idea if it was the older or newer model 15T?
It was newer models. One instance was posted up on SnipersHide and it's a newer model from the way it was described. The cop I talked to yesterday while I was buying my M&P9 was a local LEO, and had a newish model. It wasn't brand new, but wasn't old either. Now that I'm hearing two separate encounters, that gives me enough to just want to make people aware of the possibility for an FYI. I don't think it takes anything away from the quality of S&W, since it's a pretty easy fix and a problem that is not necessarily Quality Control related. I would prefer them to be pinning their LPGs, but that takes more expense, so I understand why they don't. Otherwise, with the exception of the Mossberg barrel issue, all the reports I get about M&P15s continues to be positive. I think that S&W is still learning the whole AR15 world, so there will be some growing pains as they work to get better.

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I think you said that you were going to take a class this summer? I'll just warn you now to wear some kind of collar or get a pad for it. I have not used mine yet (class is in two weeks) but practicing drills around the house, that bitch cuts right into your neck.
My MS2 cuts in also. If I am wearing a vest, it is fine. If I'm running a t-shirt, it cuts in after a short while. I have larger traps, so it's not as bad for me on the neck if I have a lighter/shorter rifle like my 7.5". If I have a heavier rifle like my 11.5" boat anchor, or my 18" SPR, I can definitely feel it digging.
We run single-point slings on our squad car M4LEs, but they're the bungee kind that suck. I have been considering getting a black Magpul MS3 for my work rifle. i like the rifle to be held higher on my chest and with no stretch in the sling. In terms of single-point slings, the MS2 and MS3 are definitely the best I've ever used. If I had a black MS2 already (my MS2 is tan), I would not upgrade to the MS3. However, I don't, so I'll likely pick up a black one for my work rifle.
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Old 03-27-2012, 05:17 PM   #473
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My MS2 cuts in also. If I am wearing a vest, it is fine. If I'm running a t-shirt, it cuts in after a short while. I have larger traps, so it's not as bad for me on the neck if I have a lighter/shorter rifle like my 7.5". If I have a heavier rifle like my 11.5" boat anchor, or my 18" SPR, I can definitely feel it digging.
We run single-point slings on our squad car M4LEs, but they're the bungee kind that suck. I have been considering getting a black Magpul MS3 for my work rifle. i like the rifle to be held higher on my chest and with no stretch in the sling. In terms of single-point slings, the MS2 and MS3 are definitely the best I've ever used. If I had a black MS2 already (my MS2 is tan), I would not upgrade to the MS3. However, I don't, so I'll likely pick up a black one for my work rifle.
I've got the MS3 in Black and FDE in order to accecorize correctly with the rifle that I'm using at the time. Unfortunately, I'll be using the 16" so it's certainly not lightweight. I may just go to Walmart to find a hand towel in FDE and have my wife sew it up to use as a pad if I find necessary.
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Old 03-27-2012, 05:54 PM   #474
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Hey guys-

I'm going to try and trade/sell my M&P 15 Sport. I've got an ad on arfcom about it; I'm wondering if my terms are reasonable.

M&P 15 Sport with original box, paperwork, etc., magpul moe handgrip and CTR stock. All original parts included. Rifle has less than 100 rounds through it.

My cash price is $700 for everything. Here's how I break it down. Rifle is ~$650, stock is $95, grip is $20. If bought online, add shipping and transfer fee ($50-$60); if bought in store, pay sales tax (~$45). So total in the rifle is anywhere from $800-815. The way I figure it, its mint and comes with quality parts and all the original stuff. That's over $1/round in depreciation.

My trade terms are the complete rifle package for an Aimpoint micro and a Geissele SD-C, SD-E, SD-3G trigger. I realize those parts wont likely be new; used is fine.

Do these terms seem reasonable to you guys? I've had lots of interest, but no one has the right deal yet. One guy locally offered me $600 for the whole package and I promptly told him to fvck off.
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Just my opinion, but a cash price around $650 would probably get you a faster sale. The tax and or transfer fee is a sunk cost, and won't be taken into consideration buy a buyer. The CTR stock can now be purchased for $75 new, and I wouldn't consider the grip in the price at all.

Like you said, the Sports are going for around $650 new, and you are going to have to take money off that because it's used (even if only slightly).

Just my opinion of course....
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You can try it at $700, but drop it if you don't get any takers. When it comes to used rifles, people want deals. I think Serbonze is on the right track with the price.
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My MS2 cuts in also. If I am wearing a vest, it is fine. If I'm running a t-shirt, it cuts in after a short while. I have larger traps, so it's not as bad for me on the neck if I have a lighter/shorter rifle like my 7.5". If I have a heavier rifle like my 11.5" boat anchor, or my 18" SPR, I can definitely feel it digging.
We run single-point slings on our squad car M4LEs, but they're the bungee kind that suck. I have been considering getting a black Magpul MS3 for my work rifle. i like the rifle to be held higher on my chest and with no stretch in the sling. In terms of single-point slings, the MS2 and MS3 are definitely the best I've ever used. If I had a black MS2 already (my MS2 is tan), I would not upgrade to the MS3. However, I don't, so I'll likely pick up a black one for my work rifle.
Reedo, I have a black MS2. I was thinking about going with the coyote tan. Trade perhaps?
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Thanks for the feedback guys; I'll post it up at $700 and drop it if I have to.
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Thanks for the feedback guys; I'll post it up at $700 and drop it if I have to.
the area really is what matters. I personally watched a guy buy that same rifle for 350 used. Not saying you should ask that, but don't be surprised if you walk into an empty room at 700. Personally 600 is the lowest I would go; but I;m like that lol. GLWS.
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the area really is what matters. I personally watched a guy buy that same rifle for 350 used. Not saying you should ask that, but don't be surprised if you walk into an empty room at 700. Personally 600 is the lowest I would go; but I;m like that lol. GLWS.


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