The General AR Discussion Thread

For those unaware, Noveske has temporarily stopped selling their N6 rifles and uppers. This is not new news.
HOWEVER, last I heard they were working on creating a lower that was also compatible with the SR25/PMAG pattern mags for a new generation of N6 rifles. Additionally, it sounds like they are working with VLTOR to make a MUR and VIS 7.62 upper for this platform. If this comes to fruition, I will pick one up. A Noveske 7.62 with .308 PMAG compatibility with a VLTOR VIS upper and the legendary Noveske barrel is a recipe for excellence.

Only downside is that it may not come to fruition until SHOT Show 2013 or later on in the year afterwards.

Anybody have experience running a factory/similar DD MK18 suppressed/unsuppressed. Thinking about going this route for my 10.x" SBR and also picking up a dedicated .22 upper(4.5" barrel custom threaded for my silencerco sparrow i have coming). I love the DD MK18 in theory just have never handled one. I will eventually be suppressing that as well. I was also considering buying a AAC 7.62 and read that noveske switchblock might have some issues not running a dedicated 5.56 can with it(have to research that more though). My thought process being this will be strictly range toys since I don't plan on entering any 2 way firing lines. So I could get a MK18 upper and a .22 upper similar to the picture before for about the same price as a noveske 10.5 w/ switchblock.

Hmm think I've narrowed it down to 2 uppers any input?

Used LMT Mk18 Clone
10.5 barrel
dd rail
full auto bcg
lmt ch
a2 birdcage
600 rounds through it and can probably get it for $700.

Noveske mk 18 clone
10.5 barrel
noveske bcg
dd rail
a2 birdcage
noveske ch
$975 Brand new.

Is the noveske worth the additional $300 over the LMT?

Originally Posted by Adam@Euro-Spec

Hmm think I've narrowed it down to 2 uppers any input?

Used LMT Mk18 Clone
10.5 barrel
dd rail
full auto bcg
lmt ch
a2 birdcage
600 rounds through it and can probably get it for $700.

Noveske mk 18 clone
10.5 barrel
noveske bcg
dd rail
a2 birdcage
noveske ch
$975 Brand new.

Is the noveske worth the additional $300 over the LMT?

Is the Noveske a switchblock? If it is, then yes for me. If not, the LMT is a pretty great upper. Up to you though; either are pretty awesome.

Originally Posted by david05111

Is the Noveske a switchblock? If it is, then yes for me. If not, the LMT is a pretty great upper. Up to you though; either are pretty awesome.

Switchblock would be another $500 upper is around $1400. Which doesn't seem necessary for my use anymore. Also it was designed for a 556 can and my first can will likely be a multi use 7.62 can

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Originally Posted by Adam@Euro-Spec

Switchblock would be another $500 upper is around $1400. Which doesn't seem necessary for my use anymore. Also it was designed for a 556 can and my first can will likely be a multi use 7.62 can

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Ok, well IMO can't go wrong eithe way. They're both great uppers.

Originally Posted by david05111

Ok, well IMO can't go wrong eithe way. They're both great uppers.

Meeting with the guy tonight. $700 cash and he is replacing the bcg with a brand new bcm bcg

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Originally Posted by Adam@Euro-Spec

Meeting with the guy tonight. $700 cash and he is replacing the bcg with a brand new bcm bcg

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Sweet, you should definitely be happy with it. 600 rounds isn't significant and it's a pretty sweet setup. Make sure you post pictures.

That's a damn good deal.

Picking it up tomorrow night I'll post pictures

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What muzzle brake is everyone running? Looking at picking a new one up for my 10.5" build. I have it narrowed it down to basically either the surefire MB556K or battlecomp. I have read good reviews on both and if I decide to get a surefire can(not sure what can ill be getting yet) I won't need to change brakes. However, that really doesn't impact my decision as much since I wont have a can for at least 9+ months. I was about to order the battlecomp but every review on the surefire has been great too.

Originally Posted by Adam@Euro-Spec

What muzzle brake is everyone running? Looking at picking a new one up for my 10.5" build. I have it narrowed it down to basically either the surefire MB556K or battlecomp. I have read good reviews on both and if I decide to get a surefire can(not sure what can ill be getting yet) I won't need to change brakes. However, that really doesn't impact my decision as much since I wont have a can for at least 9+ months. I was about to order the battlecomp but every review on the surefire has been great too.

I've heard good things about both. I will be running an AAC brake, but the reason is obvious for that. I hear more about the battlecomp than the other though.

Originally Posted by david05111

I've heard good things about both. I will be running an AAC brake, but the reason is obvious for that. I hear more about the battlecomp than the other though.

I was thinking of going with the AAC brake too, but I have no idea what can ill be running yet. So i don't want that to be a deciding factor. I was leaning towards the battle comp but I have been reading a ton of good about the surefire lately too.

Originally Posted by Adam@Euro-Spec

I was thinking of going with the AAC brake too, but I have no idea what can ill be running yet. So i don't want that to be a deciding factor. I was leaning towards the battle comp but I have been reading a ton of good about the surefire lately too.

Haha yeah that will put a damper on it. Odds are on the 10.5 inch, you'll probably go with a 7.62 SDN-6 or whatever it is. It's one of the most universal cans out there ATM; I'll probably be grabbing one instead of a dedicated 5.56 can again like an m4-2000 or SR5.

Originally Posted by david05111

Haha yeah that will put a damper on it. Odds are on the 10.5 inch, you'll probably go with a 7.62 SDN-6 or whatever it is. It's one of the most universal cans out there ATM; I'll probably be grabbing one instead of a dedicated 5.56 can again like an m4-2000 or SR5.

Im leaning towards either the sdn-6 or waiting for the SR7 and seeing what thats like as my first can. Then i go back to starting with a dedicated 5.56 can and getting either the sr5 when it ships or waiting for the silencerco saker to see what the hypes about


Local shop has a battlecomp for $145 installed...might go that route. Brownells with C&R discount has them for $120. The surefire brake on brownells is only $115 and about $145 everywhere else online. But its out of stock at brownells or I might try it out.

Don't think I can go wrong with either of them though.

If you get the BattleComp, you'll need to get the BC 2.0 model, which is the same profile as the A2 flash hider. This allows suppressors designed to integrate with the A2, like the Gemtech Halo. I believe the Halo is the best option for it right now. What's cool is that BattleComp Enterprises has confirmed that they are designing a couple QD BattleComp setups that will integrate with suppressors. The way it sounds right now, they're looking at doing QD options for both AAC and Gemtech, to give people options. There is a strong collaboration right now between BC and Gemtech, so that one sounds like it's a guarantee. The AAC one seems more like a possibility, but nothing more concrete as of yet.

The SureFire obviously has several options, so getting the MB556K is a good option for a RIGHT-NOW option.

Both are great options, but they do different things. They have the same purpose for reducing recoil, but do so differently. If you ever plan on taking the rifle to a training course, don't get the SureFire brake. The SF brakes blow everything out to the side, and the concussion is much more intense from a short SBR like a 10.5" as opposed to a 14.5" or 16" setup. This concussion will surely piss off and/or annoy the other shooters standing on either side of you. Using one of these brakes with a longer barrel is not as bad, but on an SBR, you're not going to make any friends with it. The BattleComp is loud and has some concussion with SBRs, but it's not all that bad. I have trained with others using my 11.5" with a BC 1.0, and after asking other shooters around me, they all said it didn't bother them at all. The BC releases the gases all around in a 270 degree pattern, and the ignition basically happens around the perimeter of the device. The SF brake actually shoots the gases out to the side and away from the muzzle, which tends to direct more gases and concussion directly towards the people standing next to you.

Just my opinion of the matter. If you don't care about blasting the gases out to the side, it's no big deal then. The SF definitely has good suppressor options right now, as I really like that SF MINI suppressor.

Another option besides the SF is an AAC 51T brake. SF cans are among the most expensive on the market, with MSRPs ranging from $1390-$1460. AAC has several cans that vary between $550-$1200, with their MINI-4 suppressor (about equal to the $1390 SF MINI) going for $895 MSRP.
The Gemtech Halo MSRP is $750.
Something else to think about.

Originally Posted by Reedo302

If you get the BattleComp, you'll need to get the BC 2.0 model, which is the same profile as the A2 flash hider.

Thanks for the response. I will most likely be getting an AAC can eventually. So I would be replacing the brake down the line. Is the 2.0 worth getting over the 1.0 if I don't plan to use it as a suppressor mount? I think I will be picking up the Battlecomp in case I do have time to run it in a class before picking up my can.

Thanks again for the input.

If you aren't going to mount a suppressor, save a few bucks and just get the 1.0. They do the same thing. The 2.0 is just a different exterior dimension.
I am running 1.0s on two of my rifles, and I will likely run a BABC if I wind up picking up a Noveske Gen2 N6 7.62 when they come out. I really love those things. Also considering getting a BABC for a .300BLK SBR upper, but may forgo that for a pre-built AAC 8" upper which I get great LE pricing on.

I think ill be picking up a battlecomp monday morning. I'm hoping he has a matte stainless one in stock, i love the look of it. If not oh well. $145 for it installed doesn't seem to bad.(I dont have a torque wrench or vise to do it myself)

I have BC 2.0s on two of my ARs, and I'll be installing one on my third. If you have ANY intention of mounting a Halo or any other type of suppressor that clamps on to an A2 style flash hider (assuming you don't go with the 1.0) make sure that they install it with shims and Rocksett, and not a crush washer.

If you intend to swap out muzzle devices, I would really encourage you to pick up a vise block and a torque wrench. Total cost should be about $70, and it will allow you to do your own installs down the road. I was intimidated at first, but it really is quite easy.