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Old 02-25-2011, 10:19 AM   #1
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ccv - crank case valve kit - 330i - m54 engine

So I caught it early but it appears that I need to replace my crank case valve. Common issue for all BMW's with m54 engine..

I looked for parts through my local BMW dealership and they wanted to charge me $350.00 for parts alone and $865 to perform service

I found the complete kit (cold weather) at getbmwparts.com (tischer BMW). Wondering if anyone can verify that I am recieving same kit of parts?! Thanks.

http://www.trademotion.com/shoppingc...D%26subcat5%3D

PS. I already found good DIY forum if I choose to do myself -

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=643639
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Old 02-25-2011, 10:23 AM   #2
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Can't see the parts in your cart with the link, but make sure you also have the new dipstick tube.

SI B 11 08 03 Engine March 2009 Technical Service
E46 (3 Series) rear-wheel drive only

Part Number Description Quantity
11 61 7 534 237 Oil Separator Repair kit 1
11 43 7 565 437 Dip Stick Guide Tube 1
11 15 7 532 629 Hose 1
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Old 02-25-2011, 10:41 AM   #3
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Depends on any additional work you want to do when the engine's apart, like replace the lower air intake boot that tends to crack. BMW has a "kit" of the valve and two hoses that tends to be cheaper than the individual parts (but one vendor had an E46fanatics special that was more expensive than the individual parts).

11 61 7 534 237 Oil Separator Repair kit
11 61 7 504 536 RETURN PIPE
11 7 27 545 323 VACUUM HOSE
11 15 7 532 629 Hose to Guide Tube
11 43 1 740 045 O-ring 19,5X3 for guide tube

11 43 7 565 437 Dip Stick Guide Tube
13 54 1 438 759 Throttle Body Boot

last time I checked bmwmercedesparts.com was the lowest.


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Old 02-25-2011, 10:47 AM   #4
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When I replaced mine a couple month ago every hose around it that I had to touch broke. I ended up replacing all the hose and intake boots.
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Old 02-25-2011, 10:50 AM   #5
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How many miles do you have and how do you know you caught it early?


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So I caught it early but it appears that I need to replace my crank case valve. Common issue for all BMW's with m54 engine..

I looked for parts through my local BMW dealership and they wanted to charge me $350.00 for parts alone and $865 to perform service

I found the complete kit (cold weather) at getbmwparts.com (tischer BMW). Wondering if anyone can verify that I am recieving same kit of parts?! Thanks.

http://www.trademotion.com/shoppingc...D%26subcat5%3D

PS. I already found good DIY forum if I choose to do myself -

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=643639
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Old 02-25-2011, 10:51 AM   #6
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Thanks guys..

The kit at Tischer doesn't give the individual part #'s and thats where my concern is coming from. Sorry about the wrong link -

http://www.trademotion.com/partlocat...catalogid=4462

I am repacing my stock intake with BMW performace intake at the same time, so not sure that takes care of the 'lower air intake boot' as well?
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Old 02-25-2011, 10:55 AM   #7
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I feel like I caught it early because the only indication that something is wrong is some yellowish goo in my oil cap. (rust color is ok)

And I haven't experience any of the other symptoms associated with failing CCV's. Here's a great link for additional info on CCV - http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum....php?t=1062875
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Old 02-25-2011, 11:24 AM   #8
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The test for a failed CCV is taking off the oil fill cap while the engine is running. If you get a lot of vaccum or engine idle stumble the CCV is bad (I think that's the test but I would search). The residue under the cap doesn't necessarily mean a CCV failure but I would go on a long drive to burn off that condensation.
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Old 02-25-2011, 11:31 AM   #9
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The test for a failed CCV is taking off the oil fill cap while the engine is running. If you get a lot of vaccum or engine idle stumble the CCV is bad (I think that's the test but I would search). The residue under the cap doesn't necessarily mean a CCV failure but I would go on a long drive to burn off that condensation.
Im not entirely sure that this is the definitive test for a bad CCV. I feel as if Ive read elsewhere that this does not always show a bad CCV.

Anyway, Ive done the ziplock test, and mine only sucks it in about 1/2" inch. and have no "yellow mayo" on my oil cap either. There is no smoke coming from the engine or oil in tail pipe.

I just feel that at 57K, I may need to do this soon as preventive maintenance. The last thing I want is to hydrolock the engine.

OP, its also recommended to replace the dipstick tube with the updated part. It is no longer double shafted (whcih is proneto clogging). If you decide to keep your original one, make sure you clean it out well.
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Old 02-26-2011, 11:33 AM   #10
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Thanks guys..

The kit at Tischer doesn't give the individual part #'s and thats where my concern is coming from. Sorry about the wrong link -

http://www.trademotion.com/partlocat...catalogid=4462
(NOTE: ALWAYS have your vendor check part numbers against your VIN.)

The description on your link states: Kit includes pressure regulating valve, vent pipe, connecting line, vent hose, vacuum hose, return pipe, and dipstick o-ring. Which for the cold weather kit using their prices should be:

11617533400 pressure regulating valve $55.01
11617533398 vent pipe $22.32
11617533399 connecting line $28.24
11157532629 vent hose $12.83
11727545323 vacuum hose $12.38
11617504536 return pipe $25.78
11431740045 dipstick o-ring $1.48

That's a complete set kit except for 11437565437 Dip Stick Guide Tube $131.85

NOTE: the first three parts '400, '398, '399 are bundled by BMW into a part called - 11617534237 Oil Separator Repair kit. ($93.46)

Kit $145
Individual parts $157.04
BMW kit plus other parts $145.93

But why not email them to get the actual part #'s? And then check against - http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts...94&hg=11&fg=15

Also check prices from: www.bmwmercedesparts.com
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I am repacing my stock intake with BMW performace intake at the same time, so not sure that takes care of the 'lower air intake boot' as well?
As far as I can tell, the BMW performance air intake doesn't come with any air boots.
http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts...47&hg=13&fg=95

13541438761 upper boot
13541438759 lower boot
http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts...05&hg=13&fg=15


(I'm sure someone will let me know if I'm wrong. ;^)

PS: I've also read where other people fix
13547504729 Throttle Body Gasket
11611437453 IDLE REGULATING VALVE Gromet
while they're at it.

PPS: Just checking, but do you use RealOEM.com ?

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Old 02-28-2011, 02:54 AM   #11
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How do I find out if my car have cold package or not.

Please advise.

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Old 02-28-2011, 07:29 AM   #12
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You need neither the cold weather parts in SF nor the dipstick tube for an '04 330i. I did mine last year with that exact kit and I would second looking around at a few other parts like intake boots upper and lower but the kit is perfect and the job only took me about 3 hours.
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Is there a TSB that shows what are the updates on the dipstick and what model it affects.
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Old 02-28-2011, 08:50 AM   #14
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Is there a TSB that shows what are the updates on the dipstick and what model it affects.
Yes, Highlight and copy the SIB number from my port above, the second link from a Yahoo search has the actual PDF. as March 2009.

The SIB has also been posted here several times.
There are pictures posted somewhere here of the two dipsticks side my side. I found them by searching for sib, 11, 08, 03, dipstick there were like 4 threads returned.
The dipstick photos were in one of the four.
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How do I find out if my car have cold package or not.
Look at your CCV hoses and see if it has insulation.

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Is there a TSB that shows what are the updates on the dipstick and what model it affects.
Here is the main difference in the dipstick guide tubes: 11437531258 (old) vs 11437565437 (new). Part number for new tube may vary by model (best consult with SIB), but this is the one for the 330. Price has really dropped for this new guide tube--about a year ago, it was nearly $200. Ask me how I know.

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So I caught it early but it appears that I need to replace my crank case valve. Common issue for all BMW's with m54 engine..

I looked for parts through my local BMW dealership and they wanted to charge me $350.00 for parts alone and $865 to perform service

I found the complete kit (cold weather) at getbmwparts.com (tischer BMW). Wondering if anyone can verify that I am recieving same kit of parts?! Thanks.

http://www.trademotion.com/shoppingc...D%26subcat5%3D

PS. I already found good DIY forum if I choose to do myself -

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=643639
give me last 7 digits of your vin and I will tell you the right parts.
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Old 02-28-2011, 09:57 AM   #18
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For M54 330i you need:

http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts...94&hg=11&fg=15
01 Pressure regulating valve 1 11617533400 $65.78
02 Vent pipe 1 11617533398 $28.08
03 Connecting line 1 11617533399 $33.87
04 Vent hose 1 11157532629 $15.37
07 Return pipe 1 11617504536 $33.87

http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts...05&hg=13&fg=15
06 Tube elbow 1 13541438759 $13.88

http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts...01&hg=13&fg=15
02 PROFILE-GASKET D=79,5MM 1 13547504729 $9.02
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How do I find out if my car have cold package or not.
My apologies. I should have said cold weather kit since the phrase "cold weather package" has to do with other options (such as heated seats and headlight washers).

The cold weather CCV has a foamed rubber jacket wrapped around a standard CCV. That's it. The jacket typically costs $10 more.

The cold weather CCV hoses have rubber insulation on the outside.

All of this is to keep the yellow oil/moisture goo, and the CCV membrane from freezing inside. If you don't live where it is below freezing for a long stretch of days, (maybe three or four?) I wouldn't worry about it.

Maybe an engineer needs to correct me, but on cold days you see water vapor coming out the exhaust just after the car starts up. After the car heats up that goes away. A lot of little trips cause this moisture to collect and this stuff will freeze on cold days. On later model engines, BMW put the CCV inside the valve cover to keep the membrane from freezing and put the oil separator somewhere else.
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Old 02-28-2011, 11:26 AM   #20
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Ok Joe,

What's that little grey pipe thing in your picture? Cause that don't go on an E46.
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