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Are you a gun fanatic as well? If so, you'll want to talk to other owners about what you own in this forum.

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Old 04-07-2011, 12:35 PM   #1
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1911 Vs. Everyone Else

Okay, let's dispense with revolver talk because frankly that's like comparing a lever action 30-30 to a Springfield 1903 bolt action, two different styles. But does anyone else notice that when it comes to automatics people are either die hard 1911 fans or all the other stuff fans. As a proud owner of both a 1911 and the "other guns," my first pistol was a Glock Mod 22 .40S&W, originally intended to become my duty gun when I wanted to go into Law Enforcement. I like them both in their own respect and functions and can't really say which I like better. I use my Glock at the range all the time and I keep my Springfield GI Champion 1911 on my hip pretty much all-day everyday as my concealed carry weapon. So I would like your input, which team are you on, 1911? or everyone else? And why is there this rift as if one style of pistol is better? And I'm aware I'm generalizing a little bit here, because I know there's also Team Glock, Team Sig, Team M&P, Team USP, etc... but from what I've seen it's really definitive between 1911's and the rest of the field which baffles me.
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Old 04-07-2011, 01:33 PM   #2
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i love my 1911 kimber warrior, i wouldnt say that i am only partial to 1911's i just think the 1911's look sexy lol, its my safe queen.

I did just pick up a gen 4 glock 19, only because i wanted the higher round count and i didnt want to scratch the 1911 haha, since i take the glock wherever i go usually in my glove box or my hip. Although there are those who are only only glock owners and 1911 owners, i think i find myself as just a gun fanatic in general.
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Old 04-07-2011, 02:11 PM   #3
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I have a Colt and a Taurus 1911, they are fine, but they are not my favorites.

My HK45 is probably my favorite overall.

My Glocks are what I depend on at home and in the car.

My S&W 638 is what I carry in my pocket.

Different guns for different needs.
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Old 04-07-2011, 04:05 PM   #4
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My Glocks are what I depend on at home and in the car.

My S&W 638 is what I carry in my pocket.

Different guns for different needs.
I hear you. My glock is for more tactical and capacity reasons, and like I said before my 1911 is for concealed carry mainly because it's a short 4.5" barrel and single stack, sacrifice capacity for concealability I guess. I also am a fan of Sigs, especially since it's a good looking gun and it works like a charm, probably my next gun purchase after I get my POF P415 AR.
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1911's for the range/targets.

"Others" for carry and actual defense.
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^what he (and others) said
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i love my 1911 kimber warrior, i wouldnt say that i am only partial to 1911's i just think the 1911's look sexy lol, its my safe queen.

I did just pick up a gen 4 glock 19, only because i wanted the higher round count and i didnt want to scratch the 1911 haha, since i take the glock wherever i go usually in my glove box or my hip. Although there are those who are only only glock owners and 1911 owners, i think i find myself as just a gun fanatic in general.
Ahh, I really like Kimbers... Good choice and so accurate.
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I have a Colt and a Taurus 1911, they are fine, but they are not my favorites.

My HK45 is probably my favorite overall.

My Glocks are what I depend on at home and in the car.

My S&W 638 is what I carry in my pocket.

Different guns for different needs.
Hk45 USP Tactical is probably my favorite as well.
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I WAS a Glock guy, then I became a 1911 guy in 2004 when I picked up my first 1911. I have since decided that I am not a 1911 guy and would rather spend the money on more practical guns. Hence why I'm back to Glock. I carry my G27 everywhere, because it's a down-and-dirty combat pistol. The 1911 isn't practical for my needs. Then to top everything off, I had such a bad experience with Kimber as a whole, that it soured my taste. I don't regret selling my Kimber Tactical Custom II. If I ever get another 1911, it'll be a Springfield Armory on the low end, or a Nighthawk Custom on the high end.
Kimber makes a beautiful 1911, and they are very accurate. I just had lots of problems with reliability and broken components. Kimber fails by having terrible support. I cannot support a company that does not stand behind their products and doesn't care about their customers.
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Old 04-07-2011, 09:13 PM   #10
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Dan Wesson and Wilson Combat make some very nice custom 1911's, but they aren't cheap... my brother has a Dan Wesson and he loves it, but I still would rather keep my $600 Springfield 1911, one for the classic military look and two because it works- very well might I ad- and three because it does what I need it to, but I'm still all about any gun that suits it's purpose- as for a duty/on-job carry pistol I'd go with my Glock 22 or a Sig P229 .40.
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In terms of commercial-grade 1911s, Springfield is king. They have the most reliable pistols, and they back up their product. You can't argue with a lifetime warranty.

For Custom-grade 1911s, I was pretty set for a while to get a Wilson Combat CQB LE, but then I saw what Nighthawk Custom had to offer and I was sold. Still, Wilson has the best in terms of custom optioning.
You really can't go wrong either way, though. Right now, there are only four 1911s I'd buy:
Nighthawk GRP Recon
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1911's are downright sexy, even though I'm a glock guy. I'm gonna pick up a Les Baer this year at some point!
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I'm a 1911 guy and a .45 guy, they go hand in hand.
I've done a small bit of delving into other makes and calibers but I always come back to 1911's and .45's when I look for my next purchase.

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1911's feel the best in my hand and I enjoy shooting them, but would rather pick up an HK or Glock if my life depended on it. Right now my favorite pistol to shoot is my Glock 20 10mm auto. By far more fun than any other pistol I've shot.
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I'm a 1911 guy and a .45 guy, they go hand in hand.
I've done a small bit of delving into other makes and calibers but I always come back to 1911's and .45's when I look for my next purchase.

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Be careful of 1911s with external extractors. They have a tumultuous history that does not bode well for the concept. Kimber was the most notable attempt, and they just could not make the system work reliably. That's why they went back to internal extractors. Just a side-thought.
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Be careful of 1911s with external extractors. They have a tumultuous history that does not bode well for the concept. Kimber was the most notable attempt, and they just could not make the system work reliably. That's why they went back to internal extractors. Just a side-thought.
S&W is known for having a good EE as all of their 1911's look to come with one, the Kimber attempt seems to be universally noted as poorly done.
PD's guns are custom so I would expect tolerances to be a lot finer than a mass production weapon.

I like the traditional aspect and ease of cleaning on my current I.E. 1911's but I'd be willing to go with an E.E. if it was designed well.
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I was just looking at a Springfield used for about $300. I didn't know they have a lifetime warranty. Is it for whomever owns the gun or just the first purchaser?
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I was just looking at a Springfield used for about $300. I didn't know they have a lifetime warranty. Is it for whomever owns the gun or just the first purchaser?
Lifetime warranty to the original owner. I don't believe it's transferable. Most people don't fill out their warranty cards, though. Also, once you touch the gun with a custom part or custom work, the warranty is void.
Which model is it?
http://www.springfield-armory.com/as...s/warranty.pdf

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S&W is known for having a good EE as all of their 1911's look to come with one, the Kimber attempt seems to be universally noted as poorly done.
PD's guns are custom so I would expect tolerances to be a lot finer than a mass production weapon.

I like the traditional aspect and ease of cleaning on my current I.E. 1911's but I'd be willing to go with an E.E. if it was designed well.
The problem with Kimber's EE was that the tolerances for their guns were TOO tight. Kimber wouldn't even tell me this- I had to go to different gunsmiths and talk to the experts that knew 1911s.
If PD can make it work, that's great. Even better if the back it up with a good warranty and customer service; something Kimber did not do. The general consensus from most of the 1911 community is to stay with the conventional IE design for reliability.
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Hehehe, I've noticed no one said anything about Beretta, does anyone like this brand at all? It seems to me like either unfamiliar gun people pick one up, or they're military/law enforcement and forced to carry one.
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I won't own one. I just don't like the ergos of it. I carried an M9 for a long time as an MP, and I can't think of a worse gun to carry. The military could have picked several better 9mm pistols, and it escapes me as to why the Army could not widely issue the M11 Sig.
The location of the safety, which requires using either a second hand, or taking our hand out of a proper grip position is poorly conceived. The trigger is far too long of a pull, and 13lbs for DA trigger pull is outrageous. The high center of gravity (CoG) is problematic for recoil management, and it's obvious by the way you see so many soldiers shooting them with excessive amounts of visible muzzle flipping due to the higher recoil axis of the weapon. Then there's the weight of those things, which sucks. Add to it the fact that there are so many crap magazines in circulation, which is 90% of the reliability problem, and it gets worse. Then tack on the delayed-blowback camming function of the barrel. It was a good concept for increasing chamber pressure and accuracy, but it decreased reliability by introducing unnecessary movement into a recoil system. Both the M1911 and M11 pistols are significantly more reliable with ejecting and feeding because they operate on a simple blowback principle, as opposed to Beretta's delayed-blowback camming system.
That's what I think of Beretta.
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