Suppressors

Getting ready for my first suppressor purchase. Looks like I'm going with the trust route (looking like its the easiest method).

I talked with my county's sheriff (a family friend of mine) and he was really unsure about the whole suppressor legality thing and wanted to run it by his legal consultant at the attorney generals office. I know if I use the trust, I wont need his signature but it will be great if I can supply him with the correct information in hopes of helping him understand the processes that need to be taken to legally obtain a suppressor in NC. I talked with Garry at silencerco and he directed me to a website (silencersarelegal.com) that I have passed along to my sheriff in hopes that he will gain better knowledge on the subject.

just build your own. dont tell people.

Ahh, so this is what your trust question was about, lol! I should do the same

^ lol yea I fluffed it up a little with the whole family thing didnt I

Originally Posted by mvrk10256

just build your own. dont tell people.

yeeeeaaaaa not looking to spend the next 10 years in prison...

If the state allows them, then that should be all that's necessary for the Sheriff. That site, Silencersarelegal.com, is excellent. It will usually state in the section of criminal code that defines Dangerous Weapons, or in DNR/Game code.
In MN, silencers are illegal because of the DNR and their belief that people will use them to poach.

Originally Posted by Reedo302

If the state allows them, then that should be all that's necessary for the Sheriff. That site, Silencersarelegal.com, is excellent. It will usually state in the section of criminal code that defines Dangerous Weapons, or in DNR/Game code.
In MN, silencers are illegal because of the DNR and their belief that people will use them to poach.

Another reason not to live in MN....

Originally Posted by shwagon

yeeeeaaaaa not looking to spend the next 10 years in prison...

thats why I included the second part

good luck

Originally Posted by Wraisil

Another reason not to live in MN....

You can add SBSs being illegal to that.

Amazon had quicken living trust 2010 software for $25 shipped. I'm in no rush so I'll give it a try.... I'll post the letter I sent to my Sheriff tomorrow.

You guys think I should suppress my AR or my G19 first? I'm honestly split between the two and they both get the same amount of use.

Suppress the AR first. It makes a lot more noise, and the suppressing will help with recoil control under rapid fire.

Also, if you go with Quicken, make sure it is legally binding in your state. I have heard rumors that the ATF is having a problem with Quicken trusts, and some states not recognizing them. I used Socrates and haven't had any problems yet. It's a good idea to have your trust reviewed by an attorney or paralegal anyways, but if you don't, get Socrates or go to LegalZoom.com and get something from them.

Suppressors are considered NFA (National Firearms Act) items and require, like full auto arms, you to apply for and pay a federal tax stamp. It takes about 4 months or so and usually costs $300. You also sign a BATF waiver that basically states the BATF can come search your residence and inspect your arms at any time without warrant or probable cause. If you have a clean criminal record you should be good, just follow the law for NFA stuff and you won't risk a federal weapons charge and do 30+ years in prison. Looking at applying for my Class III FFL, 2x the paperwork than NFA, and have become very familiar with fed firearms laws. Any questions let me know.

Originally Posted by Ronin13

Suppressors are considered NFA (National Firearms Act) items and require, like full auto arms, you to apply for and pay a federal tax stamp. It takes about 4 months or so and usually costs $300. You also sign a BATF waiver that basically states the BATF can come search your residence and inspect your arms at any time without warrant or probable cause. If you have a clean criminal record you should be good, just follow the law for NFA stuff and you won't risk a federal weapons charge and do 30+ years in prison. Looking at applying for my Class III FFL, 2x the paperwork than NFA, and have become very familiar with fed firearms laws. Any questions let me know.

ok....

Originally Posted by Ronin13

Suppressors are considered NFA (National Firearms Act) items and require, like full auto arms, you to apply for and pay a federal tax stamp. It takes about 4 months or so and usually costs $300. You also sign a BATF waiver that basically states the BATF can come search your residence and inspect your arms at any time without warrant or probable cause. If you have a clean criminal record you should be good, just follow the law for NFA stuff and you won't risk a federal weapons charge and do 30+ years in prison. Looking at applying for my Class III FFL, 2x the paperwork than NFA, and have become very familiar with fed firearms laws. Any questions let me know.

$200 for the NFA tax stamp. Personal or bank check, made payable to the US Dept of the Justice.
You use a Form 4 (ATF F 5320.4) to register the suppressor.
No waiver exists to allow a warrantless search of your residence. The BATFE can perform an audit for specific items, but they need a reason and generally need a warrant if you don't allow them access (exigent circumstances are different).
4 month wait is standard for Trust Route. Personal/individual route is more like 5-7 months.

I'm interested in the trust route......I work with trusts/estates/etc. as my job, but have never heard of using a trust as a means of obtaining a silencer/sbr/full auto. Is that how it works, you set up a trust and it is owned BY the trust?

Originally Posted by Reedo302

$200 for the NFA tax stamp. Personal or bank check, made payable to the US Dept of the Justice.
You use a Form 4 (ATF F 5320.4) to register the suppressor.
No waiver exists to allow a warrantless search of your residence. The BATFE can perform an audit for specific items, but they need a reason and generally need a warrant if you don't allow them access (exigent circumstances are different).
4 month wait is standard for Trust Route. Personal/individual route is more like 5-7 months.

you are correct sir, and this is coming from a nfa tax veteran...

Originally Posted by mvrk10256

just build your own. dont tell people.

Actually you can do a forum 1 build. I talked to a guy at the range not long ago with a home build. This is what he did:

Once you submit the paper work and get the stamp back---start with a A1 bird cage flash hider. Go to the hardware store and find a 10-12 inch long 3/4 water pipe, some 1/4 inch washers, and some brass pipe sections.

Grind off the first "ring" at the muzzle of the flash hider and pound it in to the pipe, the second "ring" on the flash hider will impact the pipe and it will be true, weld. Then stack the washers with the brass pipe sections inbetween as spacers and weld a washer on the end for the end cap.

Very premitive but it was as good as ANY .22 silencer I have heard up at that range. Just make sure you follow NFA rules.

Have you considered what you will be buying? A .223 is still going to be loud unless you load some subsonic rounds for it. Would you be using this can on a .22lr? If so its best to find a can that can be taken apart so it can be cleaned.

I would get a .22lr can first if I were in your shoes, something like a element. Your going to have ALOT more fun with it. Shooting something like a 10/22 in your backyard with sub sonic ammo is fun, your neighbors will think its a pellet rifle.

A good .223 can is a liberty constitution, A buddy of mine has one of these and I'll be buying one myself soon. Very tough can and can be cleaned easily.
http://www.libertycans.net/constitution.html

Liberty also makes a can called the mystic, this is a neat little can. I'd be buying one myself but its not rated (not sure why) for a 11.5 AR. A 16 inch AR will have no problem with it. Look at all the different calibers that can be shot through it. You can add a recoil booster for pistols, shoot it fixed, and run anything through it from a .22lr to a .308.
http://www.libertycans.net/mystic.html

Man I hate living in a state where suppressors are illegal. Trying to convince my department to buy a couple for SWAT. That way I might eventually get my hands on one.

Getting your hands on one in the armory and being yours to take home are two different things.

Gotta move to a free state man. I can own what I want and take it where ever I want. Some NFA storage rules will always apply but for the most part I am free.

i've shot so much select-fire(friends, not mil)that it doesn't thrill me anymore. i'm looking at sbr and suppressed. the owner of the first select-fire i shot told me to make sure i'll be able to feed it before i buy it!
i still have plenty of buddies w/nfa.

I got my SBR in the other day, its a colt 6933.

Bought a silencerco sparrow while I was on vacation. alittle louder than the element on the first round pop but I love how easy it is to clean and take apart. No tools required and its full SS construction vs the element that has a carbon tube.