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Old 04-08-2011, 09:37 PM   #21
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Reedo, I've heard the reason the Military switched to the M9 from the M1911 is because Beretta is an Italian company and the switch allowed us to put more bases in Italy if we gave them the contract for our pistol... is that true? Sounds like Malarky to me. And echo everything you just said, I feel the exact same way. Pieces of garbage that baffles me when I see people actually wanting them. I'll take my Springfield, Glock or SIG over one of those anyday, everyday, and twice on Sunday.
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I've never heard that. It doesn't make a lot sense to me, because the M9 isn't made in Italy. The original test M9s were built in Italy, but all production M9s have been built in the Accokeek, MD facility. I heard the general story about why the M9 won, and it has a lot to do with the rotating barrel design which delays blowback and increases pressure and velocity of the 9mm BALL round (which is simply just 115gr Winchester USA white box). The Beretta M9 was actually neck and neck with the Sig P226 for selection, but Sig could not make the P226 for as cheap as Beretta could make the M9 (M92FS for the commercial version). The M9 actually did exceptionally well in testing, with a mean rounds before failure rate of something like 35,000rds. It also won in the test of accuracy. The problem is that I suspect they tested the M9 with magazines that they never issued. As it's been pointed out in nearly every analysis, the weakest point of the Beretta is the magazine.
Given that all the testing was in the early and mid 80s, it's entirely possible that the M9 was the superior pistol. However, by today's standards, it's an antiquated relic that has not stood the test of time like the M1911.
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I was just looking at a Springfield used for about $300. I didn't know they have a lifetime warranty. Is it for whomever owns the gun or just the first purchaser?
Springfield stands behind there guns you will not be disapointed and for $300 take it.
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I was just looking at a Springfield used for about $300. I didn't know they have a lifetime warranty. Is it for whomever owns the gun or just the first purchaser?

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Springfield stands behind there guns you will not be disapointed and for $300 take it.
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products it sells will be free of defects in workmanship or material

during his or her lifetime as long as he or she owns the product
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If any failure to conform to this warranty becomes apparent during this period, Springfield shall upon prompt, written, notice and compliance by the customer with such instructions as it shall give with respect to the return of defective products or parts, correct such non-conformity by repair or replacement, F.O.B. factory, of the defective part or parts. Correction in the manner provided above shall constitute a fulfillment of all liabilities of Springfield with respect to the quality of the products.

This warranty shall not cover any damage or condition determined by

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That's the official word, what you can work out in real life may differ
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I have quite a variety. My first handgun was a Beretta Cougar 9mm. It's a very nice gun, and very accurate, but it's heavey, being all steel. I also own a Para pxt 1911. I like it, but it's a PITA to clean - I can't imagine havine to clean it in the field. Lastly I have a Glock 19, my favorite, and a S&W 642. I normally carry my Glock, but if I'm in light clothing, I carry the 642 in Mika pocket holster.
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That's the official word, what you can work out in real life may differ
Springfield has gained a reputation for taking care of their customers. If you have a reasonable problem with your gun, they'll fix it. The thing to remember is that the 1911 has numerous parts that have a service life, with most of them being springs. You have to do the maintenance on a proper schedule with your recoil spring, firing pin spring, and then the mainspring. In that order it's shortest to longest service life. They won't cover those service intervals, which I don't blame them for. I burned out the recoil spring in my Kimber within the first 4 months I owned it.
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I've never heard that. It doesn't make a lot sense to me, because the M9 isn't made in Italy. The original test M9s were built in Italy, but all production M9s have been built in the Accokeek, MD facility. I heard the general story about why the M9 won, and it has a lot to do with the rotating barrel design which delays blowback and increases pressure and velocity of the 9mm BALL round (which is simply just 115gr Winchester USA white box). The Beretta M9 was actually neck and neck with the Sig P226 for selection, but Sig could not make the P226 for as cheap as Beretta could make the M9 (M92FS for the commercial version). The M9 actually did exceptionally well in testing, with a mean rounds before failure rate of something like 35,000rds. It also won in the test of accuracy. The problem is that I suspect they tested the M9 with magazines that they never issued. As it's been pointed out in nearly every analysis, the weakest point of the Beretta is the magazine.
Given that all the testing was in the early and mid 80s, it's entirely possible that the M9 was the superior pistol. However, by today's standards, it's an antiquated relic that has not stood the test of time like the M1911.
I was really thinking about buying one actually. The 92A1 seems like an awesome package. I shot a friends 92fs this past weekend and aside from an exceptionally long double action trigger pull it was a real tack driver at 20yds.

http://www.berettausa.com/products/model-92a1/

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Springfield stands behind there guns you will not be disapointed and for $300 take it.
I'm pretty sure is was an old stainless steel mil-spec judging from the website. I really hate to purchase one only for the reason that 9mm is so much cheaper and has performance that comes pretty close to a .45 when all things are considered.
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Old 04-19-2011, 01:05 PM   #29
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I was really thinking about buying one actually. The 92A1 seems like an awesome package. I shot a friends 92fs this past weekend and aside from an exceptionally long double action trigger pull it was a real tack driver at 20yds.

http://www.berettausa.com/products/model-92a1/
They're decent enough guns. I just don't believe they're a good military issue gun.
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They're decent enough guns. I just don't believe they're a good military issue gun.
I don't see that whole "top back" design working out so well in sandy conditions. I know what you mean.
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I don't see that whole "top back" design working out so well in sandy conditions. I know what you mean.
I had LOTS of issues with my M9. Like I said, the problems are mostly with the magazines. The one sort of weird advantage of the M9 being so damn heavy is that there's so much mass moving on that slide that small bits of sand and crud won't stop it. What stopped it were the stovepipes caused by the POS mags.
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Old 04-19-2011, 09:24 PM   #32
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Checkmate made the M9 mags, and they were shit. However, checkmate makes awesome 1911 mags.
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I had LOTS of issues with my M9. Like I said, the problems are mostly with the magazines. The one sort of weird advantage of the M9 being so damn heavy is that there's so much mass moving on that slide that small bits of sand and crud won't stop it. What stopped it were the stovepipes caused by the POS mags.
Interesting. I do like how the gun seems very balanced in my hand, mostly because of the heavy construction I assume. I know you said you have small hands so that probably means tons of problems for you. The grip is massive.

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Checkmate made the M9 mags, and they were shit. However, checkmate makes awesome 1911 mags.
I've actually read that same thing. The beretta factory mags aren't even the greatest. I've actually read on almost countless websites the Mec_Gar's 18rd mag is the favorite now. Mec-Gar. WTF.
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I make a living out of 1911's, I sell restoration/take off parts if anybody needs anything.

This is my last "build" its a 1944 Remington Rand that was a mint/matching pistol. It was in a flood 2 years ago and "lost" for a few days. When they found it they had to repark it to cover the rust. I replaced the slide with a better type 3 RR slide, added a 193 barrel, a 718 NM bushing, a WW1 flat MSH and a WW1 trigger. I use flat main spring housings and long milled triggers in all of my builds, it just fits my hand better.



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So is it basically a M1911/M1911A1 hybrid? That's a damn nice pistol.
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kinda/sorta, but theres a practical reasion behind the pistol looking like a hybrid.

If you notice alot of the higher grade mach 1911s are going back to flat main spring housings and long triggers, they just shoot better.

The arched msh was added to raise the POI when drawing and firing off the hip. Early 1911's will shoot low when not using the sights, the extra meat in the back raises the muzzle to the right level. They basically make it a better "oh shit" fast draw gun but it will effect the POI when shooting using modern techniques like the wilson grip, with adjustable sights its kinda a moot point but with fixed sights you have to train around it.

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You guys prefer 1911's with or without rails on them? I'm looking to pick up a Springfield TRP.
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You guys prefer 1911's with or without rails on them? I'm looking to pick up a Springfield TRP.
I thought about getting the TRP with one for a little bit but decided when I pull the trigger (so to speak) to get it without.
If I did get one with a rail, I might want an arched MSH to help balance the feel of the gun with the extra weight...but first I'd have to try it out of course.

All my 1911's have a flat MSH, I haven't had one with an arched MSH yet.
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