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Old 05-31-2011, 02:02 PM   #1
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Interested in buying an M4

So I want to buy an M4 in the near future but know literally nothing about them. Could someone list up articles to give me a basic idea about the gun, how it works, the different components and pieces? Also, what are some good brands? What about after market parts? What would be some good upgrades? Sorry if these questions are vague, I just don't know enough to more specific. Thanks in advance.
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Old 05-31-2011, 05:10 PM   #2
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What you want is an AR-15, which is the civilian version of the M4. There are a few posts here with some basics of the AR. Just use the search for titles for AR-15.

I would also suggest going here: http://www.m4carbine.net/forum.php and read through the sticky threads. That will give you all of the information that you will ever need to know and then some.
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M4carbine.net and AR15.com ("arfcom") have some sticky threads that will have a lot of good info. Just make sure you pay attention to the basic information and don't get sucked into the arguments and weird claims that pop up. On those forums, the Moderators and about 20% of the members know their stuff. The other 80% don't know a whole lot; and of that 80%, at least half talk out of their ass and give bad info to everyone else.

I would also recommend that you check out this thread from Officer.com. It's great info and the people there know what they're talking about.
So you want to buy an AR-15, huh?


One thing I would recommend doing is to locate someone near you who knows about ARs, if possible. Part of your issue is that NY has special laws, so be aware of what laws you need to follow. A larger gun shop will have info for you as well.
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Old 06-01-2011, 10:35 AM   #4
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Especially in NY man. Be careful about what you're buying; where it comes from; and what is attached to it.
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Thanks for the posts guys, really helpful. Now I gotta start my research. Just to get a rough estimate, how much is a decent AR-15 with a few parts that you'd recommend upgrading? Like adding a sight or stock or something.
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Old 06-01-2011, 10:20 PM   #6
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A moderately equipped AR with iron sights from a quality manufacturer will cost you between $1200-1500. A quality optic will cost you between $200-800, depending on what you want it to do. In both cases, the more you spend, the more you get.
Rifle companies I would recommend you to consider are Del-Ton, Spikes Tactical, Smith&Wesson, SLR15, BCM, Daniel Defense, Noveske, Knight Arms. Not an exclusive list, but the contenders for good quality.
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Old 06-02-2011, 08:51 AM   #7
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Smith and Wesson is offering the M&P Sport, which I believe you can find for around $650. It's definately an entry level rifle, but it would get you into the AR platform for much less and you can see if you like it or not. It's missing some key features of more expensive rifles (Forward Assist, Dust Cover, Chrome Lined Barrel). You would probably never miss those anyway if you are a weekend shooter, and by the time you do miss them you will be ready to updgrade anyway.

Just something to think about.
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^ Excellent recommendation. While Reedo especially may have noticed i'm a S&W whore their offerings are hard to beat. Your most logical path would be to start at a gun store in your area though. Walk in and talk to MORE than one. Hit at least three. Between the three you should be able to divulge a straight answer as to what's legal in your state using process of elimination .
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I keep on hearing more and more good things about S&W rifles. Gotta say that I given the people who have had positive things to say, I'd be willing to give the company my endorsement. S&W has really stepped it up in the past couple years, and they really do seem like they are listening to the market and working to make what people want. The M&P line of pistols, revolvers and rifles are evidence of that. The Sport is the only rifle of theirs that I consider to be a waste. I just can't stomach getting a rifle without those features. That being said, Serbonze is right in that for the average recreational shooter, it's more than adequate.
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This is next up on my list. building or buying an ar15.
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Again, great responses guys. Thanks a lot! I'll definitely be taking a look at the S&W rifle, sounds like it'd be a good start.
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So I've been doing some reading about NY state gun laws and wow do they suck....really put's a limit on what I can add to the gun

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=8&f=9&t=307707
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Well, to be fair to NY's laws, those "evil features" cause the bullets to become explosive and heat-seeking, and they have a tendency to be drawn to babies. NY is saving the lives of untold numbers of children ages 8 weeks to 18 months.
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Well, to be fair to NY's laws, those "evil features" cause the bullets to become explosive and heat-seeking, and they have a tendency to be drawn to babies. NY is saving the lives of untold numbers of children ages 8 weeks to 18 months.
Hahaha I really don't want to comply to these bullshit laws. Fuckkkkk
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S&W sport definately looks like the rifle i will buy in the near future. i was looking into their 15/22 to tinker around with but for a few hundred bucks more i can get a barebones .223. honestly though, i dont see a reason to spend more just to get features that i probably wont ever need. the FA for instance, yeah.. its good for when u absolutely need to pump a round out in a life or death situation. but for your average shooter at a range i dont see the need to force a round to chamber when i can simply eject the round and load a new one. and for the dust cover, not really needed for the average shooter. perhaps the only thing that i would miss would be the chrome barrel. however from what i read the barrel on the sport holds up almost just as well. just have to keep her clean.

i really dont understand why the sport has such a bad reputation.
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S&W sport definately looks like the rifle i will buy in the near future. i was looking into their 15/22 to tinker around with but for a few hundred bucks more i can get a barebones .223. honestly though, i dont see a reason to spend more just to get features that i probably wont ever need. the FA for instance, yeah.. its good for when u absolutely need to pump a round out in a life or death situation. but for your average shooter at a range i dont see the need to force a round to chamber when i can simply eject the round and load a new one. and for the dust cover, not really needed for the average shooter. perhaps the only thing that i would miss would be the chrome barrel. however from what i read the barrel on the sport holds up almost just as well. just have to keep her clean.

i really dont understand why the sport has such a bad reputation.
I think it only has a bad reputation from people who think that the average shooter needs to have a near copy of a military rifle. And if you don't, you have committed a grave sin and should be stoned to death.
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The SPORT gets a bad reputation because it's a stripped-down model. It's why people get made fun of for driving Chevy Aveos and Ford Fiestas.
Considering that 90% of all AR owners and shooters don't do any significant amount of shooting with their rifles, it's not necessary to have the full enchilada; so why not save a few bucks? If, however, you're a pretty dedicated shooter who will be busting out a couple thousand rounds or more every year, or you plan on using the rifle in any professional capacity, then you need to look at a more mil-spec option.
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A thread popped up on M4Carbine about the Sport. I was actually quite shocked at the positive reviews that came out from those guys. Typically, anything that is not strictly mil-spec is trashed, but they definitely approve!

http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread....ighlight=sport
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I keep on hearing more and more good things about S&W rifles. Gotta say that I given the people who have had positive things to say, I'd be willing to give the company my endorsement. S&W has really stepped it up in the past couple years, and they really do seem like they are listening to the market and working to make what people want. The M&P line of pistols, revolvers and rifles are evidence of that. The Sport is the only rifle of theirs that I consider to be a waste. I just can't stomach getting a rifle without those features. That being said, Serbonze is right in that for the average recreational shooter, it's more than adequate.
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A thread popped up on M4Carbine about the Sport. I was actually quite shocked at the positive reviews that came out from those guys. Typically, anything that is not strictly mil-spec is trashed, but they definitely approve!

http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread....ighlight=sport
I've just decided on my next firearm/AR. I don't need to drop a thousand bucks to have a truly enjoyable, reliable and accurate (+ or - operator skill) AR for range fun/plinking.

This rifle sounds perfect for what I've been looking for; especially on a self-supporting college-student budget!
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