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Old 06-28-2011, 08:28 PM   #1
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A Glock 19. I traded in my Kahr P45 and picked up the G19. Took it to the range and put about 230 into the paper, the other 20 were just me being silly. (there are steel targets at 50/100 yrds and wanted to see if I could get there with this gun out of the box (I did))
A couple of questions....
1. What carry ammo do you guys use? This is my first 9mm....

2. Any suggestions on both an inside and an outside the waist band holster?

3. I have 3 15 rnd mags for this, are the 33 rnd mags usable or is it just something cool that will sit in the bottom of my range bag?

4. Any other "must have" accessories? I'm not one for fancy gizmos but I know the aftermarket is pretty crazy for these guns.

5. If I am looking at the gun from the floor, is there a plug or something that goes behind the mag to cover the backstrap? I find it odd that there is an open cavity...

6. Any other words of wisdom for someone new to the Glock family?
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A Glock 19. I traded in my Kahr P45 and picked up the G19. Took it to the range and put about 230 into the paper, the other 20 were just me being silly. (there are steel targets at 50/100 yrds and wanted to see if I could get there with this gun out of the box (I did))
A couple of questions....
1. What carry ammo do you guys use? This is my first 9mm....

2. Any suggestions on both an inside and an outside the waist band holster?

3. I have 3 15 rnd mags for this, are the 33 rnd mags usable or is it just something cool that will sit in the bottom of my range bag?

4. Any other "must have" accessories? I'm not one for fancy gizmos but I know the aftermarket is pretty crazy for these guns.

5. If I am looking at the gun from the floor, is there a plug or something that goes behind the mag to cover the backstrap? I find it odd that there is an open cavity...

6. Any other words of wisdom for someone new to the Glock family?

1. Speer gold dot 9mm is my personal defense ammo.
2. IWB I use a comp-tac MTAC, OWB is a blackhawk serpa CQC paddle holster (or belt)
3. I have 17 rd mags for my Beretta full size and 13 rds for the subcompact, if you need more ammo then you need to reevaluate where you live or are visiting imo. That said, I strongly believe in carrying double digits worth of ammo.
4. "must have" is a NO from me. Unless you don't care for the sights. If you don't like them then get good night sights professionally installed.
5/6. I'm not a glock guy so I can't answer that or #6
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A Glock 19. I traded in my Kahr P45 and picked up the G19. Took it to the range and put about 230 into the paper, the other 20 were just me being silly. (there are steel targets at 50/100 yrds and wanted to see if I could get there with this gun out of the box (I did))
A couple of questions....
1. What carry ammo do you guys use? This is my first 9mm....
There are several good options, but testing has shown that the best 9mm rounds are 124gr +P loads. The 124gr +P loads are higher pressure, and the 124gr bullets have the benefit of a heavier weight than the 115gr bullets, but maintain supersonic velocity while the 147gr bullets don't. I used Speer Gold Dot 124gr+P, but I would also recommend Federal HST 124gr +P. Whatever you choose, use hollowpoints, and make sure they're bonded. Bonded bullets include:
Speer Gold Dot
Federal HST
Hornady TAP
Hornady Critical Defense
Remington Golden Saber Bonded
Winchester Bonded PDX
Winchester Bonded Ranger SXT
CorBon DPX


2. Any suggestions on both an inside and an outside the waist band holster?
For an IWB, you have lots of options. I prefer "tuckable" holsters, as they offer the most concealability and are the most comfortable to wear. I am personally a fan of the Crossbreed SuperTuck, which is highly concealable and very comfortable. The Comp-Tac Minotaur MTAC and Spartan are a similar design and will also work well. Galco makes an offering called the KingTuk, and supposedly lots of people have said that it's the most comfortable of all tuckable holsters.
For an OWB holster, you have a ton of options. I would recommend that you avoid most kinds of paddle holsters, as they then to stick out pretty far. A good leather holster will serve you well, and I personally prefer a high-ride holster for maximum concealment. Galco makes the best gunleather IMO. If you fancy a custom Kydex setup, look into Raven Concealment. Their Phantom and Eclipse holsters are very highly rated and they are very secure and concealable.
Stay away from the typical polymer holsters like Fobus and Blackhawk Serpa. They are really poor choices for carry use, IMO.


3. I have 3 15 rnd mags for this, are the 33 rnd mags usable or is it just something cool that will sit in the bottom of my range bag?
You can use any 9mm magazine from Glock, except the G26 mags. 15rds, 17rds, AND 33rds. 33rd mags are nice to have for the novelty of it, but they're not terribly practical in my view. I would recommend buying 17rd mags instead. Another option is putting on the Glock or Pearce magazine extensions onto your 15rd mags for a more feasible setup that also will look a bit more "integrated". Putting mag extensions on 15rd mags is also cheaper than buying 17rd mags. Still, 15rds is a lot of ammo, so for carry situations it's not exactly NEEDED to have more than that. It's all up to what you prefer. There really is no right or wrong answer.

4. Any other "must have" accessories? I'm not one for fancy gizmos but I know the aftermarket is pretty crazy for these guns.
Tritium night sights. They're a MUST HAVE for any carry gun. You have lots of options to choose from, but Trijicon and Meprolight are the best and most durable.
After that, the only other thing you need is a flashlight. One good idea is to carry a hand-held light like a SureFire G2X Tactical or 6PX Tactical, or some other bright light. If you fancy putting a weapon light on your pistol, like a Streamlight TLR-1S or SureFire X300, Raven Concealment makes holsters that will work with them attached.
One part that I love is the extended slide lock lever. It's a great purchase, and a huge improvement over the stock lever. Avoid other extended levers though, like the disassembly lever and the magazine release button. They get snagged on clothing and they also dig into your hand.
Glockmeister.com is the ultimate Glock mod sales site. You can find everything you want there, and I would highly recommend that you do check it out.


5. If I am looking at the gun from the floor, is there a plug or something that goes behind the mag to cover the backstrap? I find it odd that there is an open cavity...
It was left like that to reduce weight. It's also open to allow you to attach a lanyard. If you want it closed, get a little Glock Plug. They're only a couple bucks and you can get them just about anywhere they sell handgun stuff. You can also get them online at Glockmeister, MidwayUSA, Brownells, etc.

6. Any other words of wisdom for someone new to the Glock family?
The best investment you can make is on ammo and range time. Learn the weapon and how it works and shoots.
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Old 06-28-2011, 09:26 PM   #4
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Thanks for the detailed response Reedo. I will def look into those holsters and ammo.

I was thinking about the 17rd mag because i have a bit of pinky hang and this might be a good option so i don't feel the need to carry a 2nd mag. If i'm wearing casual shorts in the summer, it's kinda tought hide a gun to begin with and then throw in another loaded mag....

The gun I bought it a gen4 with the white outlines, are night sights really worth the hassel? the gun was spot on at the range today and I'm already much more comfortable with it. I would hate to loose the accuracy....

I assumed thats what that plug was for but wasn't positive. I was shocked when i did the take down, how heavy the slide is and how light the frame is.
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Thanks for the detailed response Reedo. I will def look into those holsters and ammo.

I was thinking about the 17rd mag because i have a bit of pinky hang and this might be a good option so i don't feel the need to carry a 2nd mag. If i'm wearing casual shorts in the summer, it's kinda tought hide a gun to begin with and then throw in another loaded mag....

The gun I bought it a gen4 with the white outlines, are night sights really worth the hassel? the gun was spot on at the range today and I'm already much more comfortable with it. I would hate to loose the accuracy....

I assumed thats what that plug was for but wasn't positive. I was shocked when i did the take down, how heavy the slide is and how light the frame is.
If you have pinky hangover on a G19, you must have some mammoth hands. If that's the case, then certainly try out a 17rd mag. However, the Glock and Pearce +2 magazine extensions will give you real estate to grip as well. You can even make it look like and extra grip groove if you so choose. I just suggest it because it's cheaper than buying a 17rd mag.
If concealment is a difficulty, then I would HIGHLY recommend going with a tuckable IWB holster like the aforementioned models. I have a lot of difficulty concealing weapons due to my large "stature" and the fact that I have to wear XL and XXL shirts to prevent printing if I carry. Once I went to a tuckable holster from a standard leather IWB setup, everything became so much easier.
I primarily carry my Glock 27 in my Crossbreed SuperTuck, so concealment is easy. Last month, I did some undercover sting work and used my Crossbreed to carry my duty Glock 22, and it was just as easy to conceal under a t-shirt. Other tuckable shirts will work just as easily.

Night sights aren't necessarily an ABSOLUTE necessity, but good luck using your sights at night if you don't have them. I've shot in low-light and no-light with both night sights and standard sights, and the difference is amazing. Even in lower light hours like twilight, or in dimly lit areas at night- places where you can still "kind of" see your sights- your ability to use the sights effectively is almost nil. Night sights make that much of a difference. You can make it without them for a while, but I would certainly recommend that you put them on the list for a future investment.
Standard Glock sights are plastic. Night sights are usually aircraft aluminum or steel construction. Big difference for durability.
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Congrats on the Glock 19, I traded that in for my Glock 26. I prefer Remington Golden Saber for carry. For the plug, you can get a Glock Plug or Slug Plug...they are pretty cheap.

Did you get a Gen 3 or Gen 4? Regardless, the Glock 19 will make you very happy. I had some trigger time with my Kimber 1911 and Glock 21 today....also the Glock 26.

What I can say is get a nice tac light for the Glock 19....with quick release, that is all you need. Don't cheap out on the light either And, a few extra mags are always good....you can always have one loaded with your carry load, and the others for the range.
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Congrats on the Glock 19, I traded that in for my Glock 26. I prefer Remington Golden Saber for carry. For the plug, you can get a Glock Plug or Slug Plug...they are pretty cheap.
Do you use regular Golden Saber, or the bonded?
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1. What carry ammo do you guys use? This is my first 9mm....
Winchester Bonded PDX for carry. This is available at Walmart, so it's inexpensive and easy to get.

2. Any suggestions on both an inside and an outside the waist band holster?
I use a less expensive version of the Crossbreed Supertuck for IWB. For OWB, I used a Blackhawk Serpa but read about some issues with NDs because of the way you need to release it. I wouldn't try to conceal carry with the Serpa though, as Reed said, it sticks out way too far and is very obvious. I used it for hiking. I'm still trying to find something else for OWB.

3. I have 3 15 rnd mags for this, are the 33 rnd mags usable or is it just something cool that will sit in the bottom of my range bag?
The 33 round magazines, in my opinion, are just something that is cool to have. You certainly can't conceal a G19 with a 33 round magazine, and the added weight of 18 extra rounds is going to be significant when you are training at the range. If you want one though, get it.

4. Any other "must have" accessories? I'm not one for fancy gizmos but I know the aftermarket is pretty crazy for these guns. The ony accessory that I have is the GTL-21 laser/light. I snap it on at night when the G19 goes in my night stand. I don't use it when I carry.

5. If I am looking at the gun from the floor, is there a plug or something that goes behind the mag to cover the backstrap? I find it odd that there is an open cavity...
I think this has been answered already.

6. Any other words of wisdom for someone new to the Glock family?
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1. What carry ammo do you guys use? This is my first 9mm....

Winchester White box, but am looking for cheaper alternatives

2. Any suggestions on both an inside and an outside the waist band holster?

Just got my glock 19, so I am still searching for a great holster.

3. I have 3 15 rnd mags for this, are the 33 rnd mags usable or is it just something cool that will sit in the bottom of my range bag?

They are just cool, but heavy, and uncomfortable to use IMHO. Get a lula speedloader and dont worry about mags.

About $30.

4. Any other "must have" accessories? I'm not one for fancy gizmos but I know the aftermarket is pretty crazy for these guns.

I love my lula speed loader, makes loading a cinch. Also love the surefire light/laser combo. Expensive, but worth every penny. For home defense IMHO, it's more useful than nightsights but both is even better. I just ordered the TRUglo TFO fiber optic sights, based on many reviews, so I will report back about them. About $80 bucks.



5. If I am looking at the gun from the floor, is there a plug or something that goes behind the mag to cover the backstrap? I find it odd that there is an open cavity...

This is something most glock owners don't actually know about. This is NOT JUST A HOLE!!!! That feature was added at THE REQUEST of Austrian police/army. It is a "feature," not an error. it is designed to provide extra leverage for magazine removal. Many will say "well, dust and crap will get in there and cause problems." Well, first of all, if you clean your glock once a year, you will have absolutely no issues. Second, if you do get a magazine jam (which granted, aren't too common on a glock, but still occur) it is a major PITA to remove. It is really annoying having to pry out a loaded magazine with a plug installed. If you are interested, you can order the plug (called a grip plug) but I strongly advise you against it. Glock ADDED that feature, so they must know something.

Here is what the cops say about it....

http://www.realpolice.net/forums/fir...ck-yes-no.html
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G19 is hard to beat, but why didn't you buy the G17 if your hands are that big?

G19 is perfect for me, I use G17 mags at home (just for the extra two rounds) and a G19 mags in my G26 to solve my pinky overhang (on the G26)

I love my Trijicon night sites and my Glock GTL21 light/laser combo. I had another set of night sites that were brighter but blurrier. Trijicons are very crisp and round. Many on here will tell you that there are better after market lights and the laser is useless. I like it. I like the way it fits, the lightweight, and Glocks service.

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G19 is hard to beat, but why didn't you buy the G17 if your hands are that big?

G19 is perfect for me, I use G17 mags at home (just for the extra two rounds) and a G19 mags in my G26 to solve my pinky overhang (on the G26)

I love my Trijicon night sites and my Glock GTL21 light/laser combo. I had another set of night sites that were brighter but blurrier. Trijicons are very crisp and round. Many on here will tell you that there are better after market lights and the laser is useless. I like it. I like the way it fits, the lightweight, and Glocks service.

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The main two contenders for best nightsights right now are the trijicons and the Truglow TFOs. I saw two glocks, one had the triji's and the other had the truglows. During the day, the trijis were just "sights." The truglows, due to the fiberoptics, were VERY bright during the day, almost lit up. In low light, both seemed to be about equal IMHO. Trijicons IMHO are built better as well. Honestly, I think both would suffice in a REAL home defense situation, so it really is personal preference. The surefire light however, IMHO, is the best in the business, including the TLR, which IMHO, isn't built as well.

P.S. I wouldn't call the laser useless. While it may not be "spot on" for target practice, in an HD situation, the laser WILL put the bullet in the area that you want it.
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1. What carry ammo do you guys use? This is my first 9mm....

Winchester White box, but am looking for cheaper alternatives
Wat. For carry?
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The surefire light however, IMHO, is the best in the business, including the TLR, which IMHO, isn't built as well.
The X300 and X400 are the only pistol lights made to military specifications. The fact that it's waterproof to 22m means it has to have pretty strong build quality, but there's also the fact that SureFire is a fantastic company. Streamlight lights are good quality, and they're a better value since they're between 1/2 and 1/3 the cost.
SureFire definitely has better customer service, though.
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For a handheld light, I use a Coleman LED I bought from Walmart. $25. A friend of mine thought it would be funny to shine it in my face in a dark room from 10' away. I do not advise doing this to yourself unless you want to be blinded for the next ten minutes.

I've dropped it in water, mud, dirt, on asphalt, concrete, smashed a couple things with it, and it still holds up, so I don't see the need in paying out the ass for a SureFire.
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For a handheld light, I use a Coleman LED I bought from Walmart. $25. A friend of mine thought it would be funny to shine it in my face in a dark room from 10' away. I do not advise doing this to yourself unless you want to be blinded for the next ten minutes.

I've dropped it in water, mud, dirt, on asphalt, concrete, smashed a couple things with it, and it still holds up, so I don't see the need in paying out the ass for a SureFire.
did you duct tape it to your gun?
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did you duct tape it to your gun?
Like I said... for HAND HELD.

I'm pretty sure it would fit in a clip of some sort mounted on the rail, too.
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No, range. It's only $1 more than CCI (11 bucks for a 50 box) and I haven't found a cheaper source, so I've been using that. Any other sources/rounds you recommend that are cheaper and don't smell like crap and don't have tons of residue? I usually prefer made in the usa rounds, as the powder seems to be better and QC as well. Unfortunately, can't carry in NJ.
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The X300 and X400 are the only pistol lights made to military specifications. The fact that it's waterproof to 22m means it has to have pretty strong build quality, but there's also the fact that SureFire is a fantastic company. Streamlight lights are good quality, and they're a better value since they're between 1/2 and 1/3 the cost.
SureFire definitely has better customer service, though.
The difference in price between the streamlight (light/laser) and the surefire was $14 at my local store. No brainer for me.
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Sorry for the whinchester white box comment...I didn't notice the CARRY part of it, I meant thats the ammo i mainly shoot. For HD, I keep a few Hornady rounds at home (hollow points with the rubber fill), and a few critical defense rounds as well.
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The difference in price between the streamlight (light/laser) and the surefire was $14 at my local store. No brainer for me.
I was referring to the X300 vs TLR-1/1S.
I consider Light/Laser combos on full frame and medium-compact pistols to be functionally worthless.

However, the TLR-2 can be had for around $230, whereas the lowest price on the X400 is something like ~$460. That would mean that you either got a very high-priced TLR-2 or an X400 that was below MAP.
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