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Old 07-05-2011, 12:49 AM   #1
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HD Shotgun...what say you?

Thinking about picking up a Mossy500 with a Knoxx stock. From all my research, the Mossy seems to be the "glock" of shotguns...meaning, it just works.

Any objections, suggestions, etc?

What are your experiences with something like the JIC Mossberg 500 (pistol gripped shotguns?) I know they are meant to be fired from the hip, otherwise the results might be some missing teeth, and accuracy suffers, but I figured for home defense, the accuracy shift might not be enough to save the bad guy....
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I have a beneli m3 sitting next to my bed, but would most likely grab the 9mm loaded with 124gr +p in the night stand and give the gf the shotty.

Btw, what shotgun shells does everyone keep for hd?

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Old 07-05-2011, 01:16 AM   #3
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I've asked this on a few of my gun forums and got 970 different answers. The "pros" on all the gun sites recommend #1buck to be the best. 90% of people use 00buck. 99% of people use 2 3/4 shells, because 3" are far too powerful for in-home use. The general consensus was, that in an average HD situation (7-10 yards MAX) if you land your shot, the bad guy is dead with ANYTHING, including bird shot.

A few guys recommended these, although I personally don't have any experience with them. Some say that birdshot doesn't have enough penetration to reach vital organs (which depending on the shot, may be true) but supposedly these hit, and hit hard.
http://remington.com/products/ammuni...nse-loads.aspx

This might be of some interest...comparing penetration of different rounds...
http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot3.htm

I have a glock 19 which is loaded with HD rounds, but I really think that for HD, a shotgun is king. Honestly, I've never been in a situation that made me make that choice, but it's just pure logic on my part...the racking alone might be a deterrent, plus the catastrophic damage a close range anything out of a 12 gauge would make it more of a "sure thing."
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Old 07-05-2011, 01:35 AM   #4
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^^#1 isn't as easy to find as 00 buck.
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Old 07-05-2011, 01:40 AM   #5
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Yea I know, I just posted up what a leading "research" company claimed. Like I said, at 7-10 yards, basically anything is lethal IMHO.
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I have a bad history with Mossberg 500s. My first shotgun was a Mossy 500 20ga, and that thing was good for a few years, but after that I had a LOT of feeding issues. I recently donated the shotgun to my dad to be used for my little brother's Boy Scout troop for trap shooting. I carried a Mossy M590 in the Army, and I could only rely on it to fire the first round. After that, it could jam pretty easily. It was relegated to a breaching gun only and basically stayed behind my seat in my humvee.
With that being said, I know there are a ton of satisfied Mossberg 500 owners, so maybe I'm just bad luck. Personally, I would elect to go to a Remington 870, but that's just me. It's different strokes for different folks.

For HD, I have my Benelli M4 in my gun vault because my house has a lot of tight turns where an 18" barrel is just too long to be effective or efficient. I just stash pistols around the house. However, the M4 is loaded with standard Estate Cartridge 00Buck, which is basically target and hunting buckshot. I have 2 3/4" rifled slugs in the sidesaddle, which is the same setup I use at work. However, at work I used Federal Tactical 00Buck. For home use, I would much rather use a hunting buckshot load than the super-tight patterning tactical loads. With the cheaper buckshot, you can get wider patterns at closer ranges; you just lose the ability to make long shots.
However, I don't care about it that much since I have several AR mags filled and ready to go next to the ARs in the gun safe. I have one 20rd Pmag loaded with Hornady TAP 75gr BTHP for my Mk12 SPR, and Hornady TAP Barrier 62gr for one of my SBRs. The SPR is kept ready to rock because I live facing a major interstate, and from my front windows you can see about 3/4 mile of major metropolitan interstate, and the State Patrol and local agencies have a car stopped out in front at least once a day. If for whatever reason something goes down, I can just hop onto the roof from the upstairs deck and snipe some jackwagon in the melon on the interstate. Not saying this is a real possibility, but if the situation ever occurs in that 1:1billion chance, I have a pretty good sized firing lane to help out.
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Old 07-05-2011, 02:47 AM   #7
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I have a bad history with Mossberg 500s. My first shotgun was a Mossy 500 20ga, and that thing was good for a few years, but after that I had a LOT of feeding issues. I recently donated the shotgun to my dad to be used for my little brother's Boy Scout troop for trap shooting. I carried a Mossy M590 in the Army, and I could only rely on it to fire the first round. After that, it could jam pretty easily. It was relegated to a breaching gun only and basically stayed behind my seat in my humvee.
With that being said, I know there are a ton of satisfied Mossberg 500 owners, so maybe I'm just bad luck. Personally, I would elect to go to a Remington 870, but that's just me. It's different strokes for different folks.

For HD, I have my Benelli M4 in my gun vault because my house has a lot of tight turns where an 18" barrel is just too long to be effective or efficient. I just stash pistols around the house. However, the M4 is loaded with standard Estate Cartridge 00Buck, which is basically target and hunting buckshot. I have 2 3/4" rifled slugs in the sidesaddle, which is the same setup I use at work. However, at work I used Federal Tactical 00Buck. For home use, I would much rather use a hunting buckshot load than the super-tight patterning tactical loads. With the cheaper buckshot, you can get wider patterns at closer ranges; you just lose the ability to make long shots.
However, I don't care about it that much since I have several AR mags filled and ready to go next to the ARs in the gun safe. I have one 20rd Pmag loaded with Hornady TAP 75gr BTHP for my Mk12 SPR, and Hornady TAP Barrier 62gr for one of my SBRs. The SPR is kept ready to rock because I live facing a major interstate, and from my front windows you can see about 3/4 mile of major metropolitan interstate, and the State Patrol and local agencies have a car stopped out in front at least once a day. If for whatever reason something goes down, I can just hop onto the roof from the upstairs deck and snipe some jackwagon in the melon on the interstate. Not saying this is a real possibility, but if the situation ever occurs in that 1:1billion chance, I have a pretty good sized firing lane to help out.
Wow, you probably are the first person EVER on ALL the forums I am on to have something negative to say about the Mossberg. Interesting. The thing I like about the Mossberg over the 870 is,

1)The safety location...I like that you can have/see confirmation without taking the gun off your firing position.

2)Parts are far cheaper for the Mossy.

Also curious, do you have kids in your house?
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You get what you pay for, Mossberg's are cheap. For me, the good old Rem 870 pump is my choice for an inexpensive pump shotgun and you can add the Knoxx to it too. I plan to get one after my next handgun purchase.
I personally have a Benelli M1014 (the limited edition of the M4) semi-auto with #00 buck ready to rock.

-Winchester Ranger, SuperX and Military
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I have a varied supply.

Haven't done enough slug research yet.
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Wow, you probably are the first person EVER on ALL the forums I am on to have something negative to say about the Mossberg. Interesting. The thing I like about the Mossberg over the 870 is,

1)The safety location...I like that you can have/see confirmation without taking the gun off your firing position.

2)Parts are far cheaper for the Mossy.

Also curious, do you have kids in your house?
Lord no. I can barely take care of myself. Keeping me from swallowing and choking on small objects and from drowning in toilets is a full-time job for my wife as it is.

FWIW, I have made 870s jam up too. I'm just not a fan of pumps. It's easy to get spoiled by Benelli
We use Wilson Combat Professional 870s in our squad cars (along with Colt M4s), and I have a growing list of all the shotguns I've made jam up during cycling.
But yeah, I've had a lot more issues with Mossberg.
Given my bad luck with shotguns, I would probably not base a decision for a pump gun off of my experience.
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You get what you pay for, Mossberg's are cheap. For me, the good old Rem 870 pump is my choice for an inexpensive shotgun.
From what I gather, the mossbergs are cheaper than the 870s because they lack a few of the bells and whistles (kind of like glocks) but can be bought separately. I guess I'll head down to my local store and play with a few of them. The non pump shotguns are subject to far more laws in NJ unfortunately.
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From what I gather, the mossbergs are cheaper than the 870s because they lack a few of the bells and whistles (kind of like glocks) but can be bought separately. I guess I'll head down to my local store and play with a few of them. The non pump shotguns are subject to far more laws in NJ unfortunately.
I wouldn't equate Mossberg with Glock...more like Mossberg with a Saturday Night Special, lol. jk.

mmm, how about
Mossberg=Mustang (Cheap with tons of mods, but quality is passable)
Remington=honda (Inexpensive with tons of mods with good quality)
Benelli=BMW (Expensive with expensive mods with excellent quality)
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Haven't done enough slug research yet.
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When it comes to rifled slugs, a slug is a slug is a slug. Regardless of what you buy, most all of them have the same level of accuracy at 100yds and less, which is the max range. The difference is just with velocity and the amount of drop you'll get at longer ranges like 75-100yds. The designs of the projectiles are basically all the same, save some of those goofy Euro slugs like Rottweils. We shoot Federal Tactical Tru-Ball rifled slugs for duty, but we practice with both Tactical Tru-Ball and Remington slugger reduced recoil slugs. I have not seen anything to indicate one being superior to the other at intermediate and close ranges.

The differences only come in with sabot slugs going out of rifled barrels. Those have more varied ranges and accuracy, with velocities up into the 2000fps range and 2-3MOA at 200yds. Those slugs tend to be lighter, but have true ballistic expansion properties. In contrast, rifled slugs are just chunks of lead that punch holes. For shooting through vehicles, rifled slugs are great becuase they don't ricochet, deflect or deform.
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When it comes to rifled slugs, a slug is a slug is a slug. Regardless of what you buy, most all of them have the same level of accuracy at 100yds and less, which is the max range. The difference is just with velocity and the amount of drop you'll get at longer ranges like 75-100yds. The designs of the projectiles are basically all the same, save some of those goofy Euro slugs like Rottweils. We shoot Federal Tactical Tru-Ball rifled slugs for duty, but we practice with both Tactical Tru-Ball and Remington slugger reduced recoil slugs. I have not seen anything to indicate one being superior to the other at intermediate and close ranges.

The differences only come in with sabot slugs going out of rifled barrels. Those have more varied ranges and accuracy, with velocities up into the 2000fps range and 2-3MOA at 200yds. Those slugs tend to be lighter, but have true ballistic expansion properties. In contrast, rifled slugs are just chunks of lead that punch holes. For shooting through vehicles, rifled slugs are great becuase they don't ricochet, deflect or deform.
Good for zombies then?
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I have a pistol grip Mosberg 500 and it sits in my safe unloaded.

A Glock 19 with 17 round mag, trijicon night sights, and a Glock GTL21 light/laser sits on my nightstand.

To each their own, but a Glock is what I choose for home defense until the zombies come.

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I have a pistol grip Mosberg 500 and it sits in my safe unloaded.

A Glock 19 with 17 round mag, trijicon night sights, and a Glock GTL21 light/laser sits on my nightstand.

To each their own, but a Glock is what I choose for home defense until the zombies come.

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Wow, you probably are the first person EVER on ALL the forums I am on to have something negative to say about the Mossberg. Interesting. The thing I like about the Mossberg over the 870 is,

1)The safety location...I like that you can have/see confirmation without taking the gun off your firing position.

2)Parts are far cheaper for the Mossy.

Also curious, do you have kids in your house?
Lol what forums are you on?!

The age old debate is on multiple forums and its like ford Vs chevy. IMO the mossburg is a cheap piece that I wouldn't trust to kill a mouse. It has plastic and just feels cheap.

I have a remi and it's awesome.
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If MN ever legalizes SBSs, I'll invest more money into shotguns. My first purchase will be a KAC 870 Masterkey. Until then, I'll keep dumping money into rifles.
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I'm not sure if it's the same in MN, but in MD, law enforcement is allowed to have barrel's < 18.5" (which is the smallest size for civilians to be legal)

Get shotgun certified, and carry one. Problem solvled lol
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We can possess them if they're owned by the agency, but we cannot own them as individual officers. Individual people cannot own them or possess them in MN- it's a felony. Same with suppressors- agency ownership only. I have a 14" Wilson Combat Professional 870 shotgun in my squad car next to my Colt M4.
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We can possess them if they're owned by the agency, but we cannot own them as individual officers. Individual people cannot own them or possess them in MN- it's a felony. Same with suppressors- agency ownership only. I have a 14" Wilson Combat Professional 870 shotgun in my squad car next to my Colt M4.
So to paraphrase - if you're rocking a suppressor or SBS, it's your agency's?

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