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Old 07-18-2011, 06:32 PM   #61
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lmao they're talking about completely curing aging and being immortal. the world would go to sh!t in 50 years from overpopulation
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lmao they're talking about completely curing aging and being immortal. the world would go to sh!t in 50 years from overpopulation
If people started to live until 100 or even 125 with regularity.
Assuming that they lived a full life and had good health until their death....I wonder how this would affect the employment picture and retirement benefits?
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If people started to live until 100 or even 125 with regularity.
Assuming that they lived a full life and had good health until their death....I wonder how this would affect the employment picture and retirement benefits?
it would fuuck it all up
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If people started to live until 100 or even 125 with regularity.
Assuming that they lived a full life and had good health until their death....I wonder how this would affect the employment picture and retirement benefits?
With averages being somewhere around 86ish it would totally fvck retirement planning in general. When I run a cash-flow scenario for my clients I take their age out to 95 to be "conservative". Taking it out further would just require a combination of more money, lower living goals, or higher overall return.


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lmao they're talking about completely curing aging and being immortal. the world would go to sh!t in 50 years from overpopulation
A good friend and I had a fairly lengthy discussion about immortality and we decided that if you ever want to see full-on global class warfare, introduce medicine that will improve a person's lifespan to 3-4x the average. Only the rich could afford it but everyone would want it and it would undoubtedly be in high demand. Eventually only those with the means to afford it would control everything.
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A good friend and I had a fairly lengthy discussion about immortality and we decided that if you ever want to see full-on global class warfare, introduce medicine that will improve a person's lifespan to 3-4x the average. Only the rich could afford it but everyone would want it and it would undoubtedly be in high demand. Eventually only those with the means to afford it would control everything.
Yup, exactly. And the problem is that, everyone sees the problem it will cause at a societal level, but when it comes down to the level of the individual, everyone will want the "immortality elixir".
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Another model for a cyclical universe, which I'm all for; the big bang is just another form of creation as far as I'm concerned, something from nothing. This guy's theory is that a matter-dominated universe eventually experiences a crunch and then rebounds as an anti-matter dominated universe. So if that turns out to be true, how do we know we're in a matter-dominated universe? Isn't the differentiation between matter and anti-matter relative?
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Another model for a cyclical universe, which I'm all for; the big bang is just another form of creation as far as I'm concerned, something from nothing. This guy's theory is that a matter-dominated universe eventually experiences a crunch and then rebounds as an anti-matter dominated universe. So if that turns out to be true, how do we know we're in a matter-dominated universe? Isn't the differentiation between matter and anti-matter relative?
http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-07-...ntimatter.html
Makes sense. Why do many scientists think there had to be a beginning?
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Well the stuff had to come from somewhere, it only stands to reason taht there was a beginning.
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Well the stuff had to come from somewhere, it only stands to reason taht there was a beginning.
can you explain why though? Why couldn't the universe just always be here but change over time and go through cycles?
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can you explain why though? Why couldn't the universe just always be here but change over time and go through cycles?
Technically all the 'stuff' is just different forms of energy, but that energy had to have come from somewhere. No, I can't explain why, but following logic leads me to think that at some point the universe did come into existence. It could be 1e10000 years old and for all practical purposes we do exist in a cyclical universe, but just saying that it has always been doesn't jibe well with modern science. On the other hand, neither does saying that it just popped into existence.
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Technically all the 'stuff' is just different forms of energy, but that energy had to have come from somewhere. No, I can't explain why, but following logic leads me to think that at some point the universe did come into existence. It could be 1e10000 years old and for all practical purposes we do exist in a cyclical universe, but just saying that it has always been doesn't jibe well with modern science. On the other hand, neither does saying that it just popped into existence.
I think there are two separate questions here, one is the origins and beginning of our current universe (i.e. big bang, or cyclical theories or w/e). The second is the origins and beginnings of all the stuff originally, i.e. before the beginning of this or any other universe.

The first, our current incarnation, had a beginning based on current scientific understanding. The overall universe, however, has no scientific basis to suggest a beginning is necessary and that it hasn't always existed.
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The overall universe, however, has no scientific basis to suggest a beginning is necessary and that it hasn't always existed.
There is no evidence to support it but it had to have come from somewhere. De-railing here, but if it came from somewhere then where did that thing come from, and where did its predecessor come from, and so on. I've said it before and I'll say it again: infinities/recursion exist in nature and the human brain isn't capable of handling it.
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what was before god?

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Exactly the question that got me started when I was 5 years old.
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A new particle was observed today. The math of the standard model predicted it but it had never been observed until recently
http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-07-...e-neutron.html


Cool and yet terrifying at the same time. Researchers at Caltech have made the first biological neural network from DNA
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Researchers at the California Institute of Technology (Caltech) have now taken a major step toward creating artificial intelligence -- not in a robot or a silicon chip, but in a test tube. The researchers are the first to have made an artificial neural network out of DNA, creating a circuit of interacting molecules that can recall memories based on incomplete patterns, just as a brain can.
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