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Old 07-15-2011, 09:32 PM   #21
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whats the problem she has with the glocks slide? too tough to rack?
She pinched her finger once, so from that point on, she has been intimidated.

Although the recoil is not ridiculous, she would be more comfortable with less.

Of course, I don't want a .22 for defense, so I am trying to figure it out.

Maybe I need a 9mm sized gun that shoots .380 or something.

Maybe a Walther PK380. Suppose to be decent and easy to rack and shoot.



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One of the primary advantages to this is that the PK380 does not have to use an excessively stiff recoil spring. While that might not be important to many, it is very important to those who might not have sufficient hand strength to pull back the slide in order to load most semi-auto pistols. The slides of some small pistols are very hard to operate for someone with arthritis, or for anyone that does not have a lot of strength in their hands. I get a lot of email from older shooters and women who have problems working the slide on an auto pistol. The Walther PK380 has one of the easiest to operate slides on any centerfire auto pistol, taking about ten pounds of pressure to retract the slide.
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The PK380 is a compact pistol, but still allows a full grip for good control. The PK380 is much easier to shoot well and control than the smallest .380 pistols on the market, but is also a bit harder to conceal.
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I tested the PK380 for reliability and accuracy using every type of .380 ammo available to me. Reliability was one hundred percent. There were no failures to feed, fire, or eject any cartridge. It doesn’t get any better than that.
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Old 07-16-2011, 06:13 PM   #22
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I may be off here, but the FiveSeven's round is remarkable for it's fantastic penetration capabilities and high accuracy, not so much for stopping/knock down power which makes it less well suited for use as a defensive pistol - especially in a home setting where over penetration could be catastrophic.

What about an M&P 9 or 9c with thumb safety? That would allow her to keep it cocked and locked and not have to worry about racking the slide in a stress situation.
This. Glockman, I'm really surprised you know so little about these. You're normally very knowlegabe about most guns.

Bottom line; this is not a home defense weapon. It is similar to a 5.56 round and is designed to penetrate body armor; I has very limited stopping power and could go through many walls.

The pk380 probably is very nice though. I've got a p22 and a ppk. The p22's slide racks so easily and the .380 round is fairly easy to handle in that sized weapon. It won't be as effective as a 9mm/.40/.45 but it'll still do the job for the most part.
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This. Glockman, I'm really surprised you know so little about these. You're normally very knowlegabe about most guns.

Bottom line; this is not a home defense weapon. It is similar to a 5.56 round and is designed to penetrate body armor; I has very limited stopping power and could go through many walls.

The pk380 probably is very nice though. I've got a p22 and a ppk. The p22's slide racks so easily and the .380 round is fairly easy to handle in that sized weapon. It won't be as effective as a 9mm/.40/.45 but it'll still do the job for the most part.
According to what I have read, the FiveseveN IS a great defense weapon and does NOT go through walls as easily as even a 9mm. According to my research, it is designed to "tumble" upon impact and does not have the "kinectic" energy of a better than average pistol caliber.

I def do not know everything about everything and like to learn, that is why I ask questions. Generally, they are not stupid ones (but on occassion...)

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According to what I have read, the FiveseveN IS a great defense weapon and does NOT go through walls as easily as even a 9mm. According to my research, it is designed to "tumble" upon impact and does not have the "kinectic" energy of a better than average pistol caliber.

I def do not know everything about everything and like to learn, that is why I ask questions. Generally, they are not stupid ones (but on occassion...)

correct. however, what does this mean in terms of stopping power if you had to use it as a home defense weapon? why not use something with more energy just to completely ensure safety? i could tell you that if someone broke into here and was a threat, id pick up the G17 9 times out of 10 over the FN
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You should weld a left sided charging handle to the slide and rack the hell out of it.
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Here's my take on the 5.7mm round. I have previously posted that the 5.7x28mm round is a BURST ROUND. The round was built for the P90, and the P90 is a subgun meant to be fired in short bursts. The effectiveness of the round comes from multiple near-simultaneous hits to the target. Additionally, the fast nature of the round makes it capable of defeating soft body armor when FMJ (L191/SB193) or AP (SS190) ammunition is use.
However, the only commercially available round that I have ever seen on the store shelves as been the SS197SR 40gr V-Max. Now, understand that the V-Max is a bullet designed by Hornady, and that the "V" in V-Max stands for "Varmint". It's a varmint bullet. Hornady has been using V-Max bullets on .223 TAP rounds, and with poor results. Average cavity penetration is 5 inches. FBI standards dictate a minimum of 12 inches for a "reliable stop" from any bullet, regardless of caliber.
SO, something to think about. You have no reliable capability of stopping an intruder unless you make an immediate vital hit to the head or neck. Everywhere else (chest, abdomen, pelvic girdle) may not be sufficiently affected by the round.

Even .380s can penetrate 12" (CorBon especially).
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Here's my take on the 5.7mm round. I have previously posted that the 5.7x28mm round is a BURST ROUND. The round was built for the P90, and the P90 is a subgun meant to be fired in short bursts. The effectiveness of the round comes from multiple near-simultaneous hits to the target. Additionally, the fast nature of the round makes it capable of defeating soft body armor when FMJ (L191/SB193) or AP (SS190) ammunition is use.
However, the only commercially available round that I have ever seen on the store shelves as been the SS197SR 40gr V-Max. Now, understand that the V-Max is a bullet designed by Hornady, and that the "V" in V-Max stands for "Varmint". It's a varmint bullet. Hornady has been using V-Max bullets on .223 TAP rounds, and with poor results. Average cavity penetration is 5 inches. FBI standards dictate a minimum of 12 inches for a "reliable stop" from any bullet, regardless of caliber.
SO, something to think about. You have no reliable capability of stopping an intruder unless you make an immediate vital hit to the head or neck. Everywhere else (chest, abdomen, pelvic girdle) may not be sufficiently affected by the round.

Even .380s can penetrate 12" (CorBon especially).
What do you think about the Walther PK380?

Keep in mind guys, this is not for my self defense. This is for my wife. Something she is comfortable with VS nothing has got to be better.
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What do you think about the Walther PK380?

Keep in mind guys, this is not for my self defense. This is for my wife. Something she is comfortable with vs nothing has got to be better.
No offense or anything, but I'm surprised that the wife of Glockman isn't extremely comfortable with guns by now.
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No offense or anything, but I'm surprised that the wife of Glockman isn't extremely comfortable with guns by now.
She is funny. Sometimes she wants to shoot the AK and HK45, sometimes she does not want to shoot anything but the .22. She hates shotguns.

Its not a matter of if she can or can not shoot a Glock or her .357. She can. I just want her to feel completely comfortable and confident with her own firearm.

She is more opinionated than fearful. "I don't like that, I like this, but..."

I want her to "own" her own gun. The gun she shoots all the time. The gun that becomes second nature. Shooting 12 different guns a couple of times a year is not what she really needs to be prepared for an emergency.

I want her to be able to clear jams, break it down, etc.

I want to know that if I am not home and the SHTF she would not hesitate or panic or second guess herself with her weapon.

Yes, it is news to me that she does not like her .357 with .38+P. I thought she was fine with it. Maybe she was, but she is not now. lol.

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Get her a 20 ga shotty and load it with some #2 buck shot. My friend's gf comes hunting with us and she handles a 20 ga shotty a lot easier than racking a 9mm.
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What do you think about the Walther PK380?

Keep in mind guys, this is not for my self defense. This is for my wife. Something she is comfortable with VS nothing has got to be better.
I don't have a lot of experience with much of the newer Walther stuff. If it's an easier gun to operate, then maybe not a bad way to go.
It's hard to say what is the best option for a .380. It's a CCW round primarily, so you tend to have smaller guns. I would say get whatever is the biggest one you can find.


Also, since everyone else is making suggestions, I would like to make one too.
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How about a Beretta 92F? The grip is small and they are very easy to shoot and handle. It also has an external safety so you can keep a round in the chamber if you are worried about her not being able to rack it.
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How about a Beretta 92F? The grip is small and they are very easy to shoot and handle. It also has an external safety so you can keep a round in the chamber if you are worried about her not being able to rack it.
Umm, the 92F/M9 grip is anything but small.
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How about a Beretta 92F? The grip is small and they are very easy to shoot and handle. It also has an external safety so you can keep a round in the chamber if you are worried about her not being able to rack it.
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GM, I would look at the S&W 59 series of pistols. I have a S&W 910 that I have taken loads of women shooting with and not a single one has had a problem. The gun never malfunctions, SA/DA, 9mm, 15rd +1 or even 17+1 I have heard. Slide saftey. There is also a 915. They are also a bargain.
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Umm, the 92F/M9 grip is anything but small.

Double action trigger pulls are next to impossible without shifting the grip on the gun if you have small hands.
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just get her a revolver. they always go bang. no limp wrist, no rack to slide. no jamming.

revolvers- the original point and click interface.
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just get her a revolver. they always go bang. no limp wrist, no rack to slide. no jamming.

revolvers- the original point and click interface.
Did you read any of this?

She has a revolver. A Ruger SP101 3" .357.
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Umm, the 92F/M9 grip is anything but small.
Seems small to me. Hmm, maybe because I'm used to shooting my Glock 20 lately. lol
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Seems small to me. Hmm, maybe because I'm used to shooting my Glock 20 lately. lol
That'll do it.
I had a lot of problems with the M9 with the DA trigger pull. If I did, then most women will since I have small hands like a chick.
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